R these artists U consider 2 B "prog"? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

I always felt that as long as they stayed adventurous, Queen was prog. It stopped in the 80s, but until then every album had songs that were astoundingly different from one another. Still, they solidified their prog status with the first two albums in my opinion.

I also voted Kate Bush, Frank Zappa, Moody Blues, and (surprisingly) David Sylvian. There was just something about his music when I discovered it that screamed Prog to me.

Sabbath, Purple, Hendrix, Zeppelin? All Hard Rock to me.

I was not even aware of Queensryche, Iron Maiden, Metallica until I'd already established what I thought of as "Prog."

Journey? Al Stewart? FM staples to be sure, but not Prog. Although the piano part in "Year of the Cat" is sweet.

Return to Forever's Romantic Warrior would be the only "Jazz-Fusion" artist I would consider Prog, and they were not presented here. So. Miles, Metheny, Ponty, all just Jazz to me.

The one Artist here who I love that I cannot really put a Prog label on is Todd Rundgren. I think of his career, and all he has done. It is so varied, yet I always think of him first as a writer of incredible "songs." His early period definitely considered by most to be Prog, especially those early years with Utopia. Still, when I think of one of my favorite artists; I think of Hermit of Mink Hollow before A Wizard, a True Star.

Frank Zappa

Deep Purple (Rod Evans era)

Procol Harum

Death

Moody Blues

Only Moody Blues - kinda. PA changed nothing in my view.

Frank Zappa is probably the most progressive musician of all those listed...I saw an interview once where he was asked which particular band was progressive (listing most of the 'big six'). His answer was usually 'sometimes'... I recall Floyd and ELP getting a special mention from the maestro. Apparently 'Echidna's Arf (of you)' from Roxy and Elsewhere was a deliberate parody of prog rock, especially ELP.

Death

Miles Davis

Frank Zappa

Herbie Hancock

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Before PA? Queen and Zep. That's because I hadn't discovered the "real" prog artists yet.

Edited by Hrychu - July 06 2021 at 19:58

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almost all of them.

Moodies, Procul, Todd, Zappa

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - July 06 2021 at 18:25

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Moody Blues

All the others I considered variations on Rock or Jazz.

Edited by JD - July 06 2021 at 17:04

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Again, just curious, before you joined/discovered ProgArchives, which of these bands had you already considered to be a part of "Prog" and progressive rock music?

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Poll Question: Before PA, which of these artists did you think of as "prog"?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Queen	37	[9.30%]
Led Zeppelin	8	[2.01%]
The Moody Blues	33	[8.29%]
Procul Harum	35	[8.79%]
Jimi Hendrix	11	[2.76%]
Al Stewart	4	[1.01%]
Death	7	[1.76%]
Queensryche	11	[2.76%]
Iron Maiden	15	[3.77%]
Metallica	11	[2.76%]
Journey	3	[0.75%]
Todd Rundgren	4	[1.01%]
John Martyn	2	[0.50%]
Roy Harper	19	[4.77%]
Black Sabbath	28	[7.04%]
Frank Zappa	49	[12.31%]
Herbie Hancock	19	[4.77%]
Jean-Luc Ponty	12	[3.02%]
Pat Metheny	6	[1.51%]
Kate Bush	22	[5.53%]
David Sylvian	11	[2.76%]
Ryuichi Sakamoto	11	[2.76%]
Deep Purple	15	[3.77%]
Arthur Brown	1	[0.25%]
Miles Davis	24	[6.03%]
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dr wu23 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20645	Post Options Post Reply Quote dr wu23 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 09:52
	Zappa.....maybe some others who have prog elements but as an old guy we never thought much about those categories back then
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	I always felt that as long as they stayed adventurous, Queen was prog. It stopped in the 80s, but until then every album had songs that were astoundingly different from one another. Still, they solidified their prog status with the first two albums in my opinion. I also voted Kate Bush, Frank Zappa, Moody Blues, and (surprisingly) David Sylvian. There was just something about his music when I discovered it that screamed Prog to me. Sabbath, Purple, Hendrix, Zeppelin? All Hard Rock to me. I was not even aware of Queensryche, Iron Maiden, Metallica until I'd already established what I thought of as "Prog." Journey? Al Stewart? FM staples to be sure, but not Prog. Although the piano part in "Year of the Cat" is sweet. Return to Forever's Romantic Warrior would be the only "Jazz-Fusion" artist I would consider Prog, and they were not presented here. So. Miles, Metheny, Ponty, all just Jazz to me. The one Artist here who I love that I cannot really put a Prog label on is Todd Rundgren. I think of his career, and all he has done. It is so varied, yet I always think of him first as a writer of incredible "songs." His early period definitely considered by most to be Prog, especially those early years with Utopia. Still, when I think of one of my favorite artists; I think of Hermit of Mink Hollow before A Wizard, a True Star.

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	Before PA, I considered Led Zep, the Moodies, Queensryche, Metallica, Zappa, and Deep Purple prog. For the others, I either didn't have enough knowledge to lean that way or no knowledge of what they sounded like at the time.
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	Frank Zappa Deep Purple (Rod Evans era) Procol Harum Death Moody Blues

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	before PA ? none of the above I thought it was just Yes, Genesis, ELP etc etc Found some great music through PA.... that's for sure
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	Only Moody Blues - kinda. PA changed nothing in my view.

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	Ms. Bush, before PA.
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	Frank Zappa is probably the most progressive musician of all those listed...I saw an interview once where he was asked which particular band was progressive (listing most of the 'big six'). His answer was usually 'sometimes'... I recall Floyd and ELP getting a special mention from the maestro. Apparently 'Echidna's Arf (of you)' from Roxy and Elsewhere was a deliberate parody of prog rock, especially ELP.

nick_h_nz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737	Post Options Post Reply Quote nick_h_nz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 00:48
	I find the zero votes interesting. 😜 I thought of 14 of these artists as prog before ever finding PA. The remaining artists I’d either not heard of and/or not heard, so simply were not on my radar. There are no surprising names here. And it’s nice to see that a band like Queen, who are routinely called out for being “not prog” in the forum, obviously still have a lot of recognition for being prog. [EDIT] Now there are no zero votes, my post has become rather meaningless! 🤪 (Some would say, no change there! 😜) Edited by nick_h_nz - July 07 2021 at 06:48
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	Death Miles Davis Frank Zappa Herbie Hancock
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	In Days of Future Passed, the only artist on this list I thought of as prog were Procol Harum, but now that I've seen the light and Broken down the Barricades, I think of The Moody Blues as being prog too. I still don't consider any of the other 23 artists on the list to be proggy though.

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	Before PA? Queen and Zep. That's because I hadn't discovered the "real" prog artists yet. Edited by Hrychu - July 06 2021 at 19:58
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	Given the way the title of the thread was written, I half expected Prince 2 B on this list. Edited by mathman0806 - July 06 2021 at 19:38

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	almost all of them.

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	The thing with this question (and the other one) is that for me genre labels are a social phenomenon and nothing that has much meaning regarding the music itself. So I wouldn't have a personal concept of prog but would rather try to understand what others think it is. I think on that basis I tick Moody Blues, Procul Harum, Zappa, and Ponty, maybe Deep Purple. Not sure about Sakamoto. Regarding Bush and Sylvian I'd probably have thought that I could see a connection myself but would have suspected that this connection may not be made by many others. I vote for all of these but with reservation.

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	Moodies, Procul, Todd, Zappa Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - July 06 2021 at 18:25
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	None of the above. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - July 07 2021 at 11:56

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	Moody Blues All the others I considered variations on Rock or Jazz. Edited by JD - July 06 2021 at 17:04
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	Before I joined PA? Zappa and TMB. I would add Ponty to that if we expanded to post PA discovery.
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	* MULTIPLE VOTES ALLOWED * Again, just curious, before you joined/discovered ProgArchives, which of these bands had you already considered to be a part of "Prog" and progressive rock music? * MULTIPLE VOTES ALLOWED *
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