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Debating is a form of art...just like music, art, poetry......and it's not for everyone.
is that an insult for me?
how are you debating? You have not even defended your premise that "PT and Radiohead suck". Or what's your premise? Youngsters listen to awful music like PT and Radiohead and they don't know anything?
Now you're not reading in my posts what you don't want to read.......you skipped "IMPERSONALLY" intentionally, remember ???! I never said youngsters listen to awful music like PT and RH, YOU said it and you're still trying to put words in my posts I never wrote :):)
Oh and if you think I will eventually back down from a hearty discussion, you've got the wrong person :):)
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I just asked you what's the premise of your so called debate?
Again, replying with questions.......
if you answered the question in the first place, I wouldn't have to ask again.
Debating is a form of art...just like music, art, poetry......and it's not for everyone.
is that an insult for me?
how are you debating? You have not even defended your premise that "PT and Radiohead suck". Or what's your premise? Youngsters listen to awful music like PT and Radiohead and they don't know anything?
Now you're not reading in my posts what you don't want to read.......you skipped "IMPERSONALLY" intentionally, remember ???! I never said youngsters listen to awful music like PT and RH, YOU said it and you're still trying to put words in my posts I never wrote :):)
Oh and if you think I will eventually back down from a hearty discussion, you've got the wrong person :):)
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I just asked you what's the premise of your so called debate?
Debating is a form of art...just like music, art, poetry......and it's not for everyone.
is that an insult for me?
how are you debating? You have not even defended your premise that "PT and Radiohead suck". Or what's your premise? Youngsters listen to awful music like PT and Radiohead and they don't know anything?
Now you're not reading in my posts what you don't want to read.......you skipped "IMPERSONALLY" intentionally, remember ???! I never said youngsters listen to awful music like PT and RH, YOU said it and you're still trying to put words in my posts I never wrote :):)
Oh and if you think I will eventually back down from a hearty discussion, you've got the wrong person :):)
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I just asked you what's the premise of your so called debate?
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
How do I have "relation problems"?
Who's attacking you? Or disagreeing and attacking is the same thing for you?
What's a snobbish band?
I do enough explaining as a teacher at school, thanks. A forum......and I am on many a forum......is a place where people DEBATE which includes agreeing & disagreeing, but sometimes (too many times), forums host people who like to form little elites among themselves where they feel safe and abuse this when they want to bring fwd their ideas....and this kind of elitism has no place on a decent forum like ProgArchives.
Oh and another thing, you don't reply to an idea or thought with another question in DEBATING.
Debating is a form of art...just like music, art, poetry......and it's not for everyone.
is that an insult for me?
how are you debating? You have not even defended your premise that "PT and Radiohead suck". Or what's your premise? Youngsters listen to awful music like PT and Radiohead and they don't know anything?
Now you're not reading in my posts what you don't want to read.......you skipped "IMPERSONALLY" intentionally, remember ???! I never said youngsters listen to awful music like PT and RH, YOU said it and you're still trying to put words in my posts I never wrote :):)
Oh and if you think I will eventually back down from a hearty discussion, you've got the wrong person :):)
Debating is a form of art...just like music, art, poetry......and it's not for everyone.
is that an insult for me?
how are you debating? You have not even defended your premise that "PT and Radiohead suck". Or what's your premise? Youngsters listen to awful music like PT and Radiohead and they don't know anything?
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
How do I have "relation problems"?
Who's attacking you? Or disagreeing and attacking is the same thing for you?
What's a snobbish band?
I do enough explaining as a teacher at school, thanks. A forum......and I am on many a forum......is a place where people DEBATE which includes agreeing & disagreeing, but sometimes (too many times), forums host people who like to form little elites among themselves where they feel safe and abuse this when they want to bring fwd their ideas....and this kind of elitism has no place on a decent forum like ProgArchives.
you lost me there...
So now I am an elitist that just wants a safe space and I abuse everyone that has a different opinion then me?
There you go, you see, you keep putting "YOU" at the centre of this discussion.......trying to put words in my posts I never said.....when I say elites and elitism, I'm referring to an impersonal form of expression directed to everyone who might want to read and take part in debating.
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
How do I have "relation problems"?
Who's attacking you? Or disagreeing and attacking is the same thing for you?
What's a snobbish band?
I do enough explaining as a teacher at school, thanks. A forum......and I am on many a forum......is a place where people DEBATE which includes agreeing & disagreeing, but sometimes (too many times), forums host people who like to form little elites among themselves where they feel safe and abuse this when they want to bring fwd their ideas....and this kind of elitism has no place on a decent forum like ProgArchives.
you lost me there...
So now I am an elitist that just wants a safe space and I abuse everyone that has a different opinion then me?
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
How do I have "relation problems"?
Who's attacking you? Or disagreeing and attacking is the same thing for you?
What's a snobbish band?
I do enough explaining as a teacher at school, thanks. A forum......and I am on many a forum......is a place where people DEBATE which includes agreeing & disagreeing, but sometimes (too many times), forums host people who like to form little elites among themselves where they feel safe and abuse this when they want to bring fwd their ideas....and this kind of elitism has no place on a decent forum like ProgArchives.
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
How do I have "relation problems"?
Who's attacking you? Or disagreeing and attacking is the same thing for you?
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say.
You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well.
pure-prog? I don't know what this means...
If I don't like what you say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum.
Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!
What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.
They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH, which are the poor man's version of "prog" !!!
I've never heard of Silent Temple.
You complaining about people listening to great bands like Porcupine Tree and Radiohead is a bit ridiculous. Youngsters also listen to all sort of progressive metal (extreme prog, blackgaze, retro-prog and so on). To say there is much worse music out there is an understatement.
Poor man's version of prog? OMG, I guess i'm poor then.
I cannot be but surprised.....unpleasantly surprised!! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9359
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !
^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.
And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔
Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!
What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.
They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH, which are the poor man's version of "prog" !!!
I've never heard of Silent Temple.
You complaining about people listening to great bands like Porcupine Tree and Radiohead is a bit ridiculous. Youngsters also listen to all sort of progressive metal (extreme prog, blackgaze, retro-prog and so on). To say there is much worse music out there is an understatement.
Poor man's version of prog? OMG, I guess i'm poor then.
Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!
What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.
They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH !!!
I didn’t see the original post quoted here, but I complete agree with the reply - what’s wrong with that? If PT and Radiohead are the entry levels to prog for listeners today, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. They both stretch listeners beyond the mainstream, and introduce them to something less conventional and more experimental.
I’m not sure there is progressive reggaeton, but as I don’t want to upset my own personal belief that there are artists in every genre who push the boundaries of it, and if not recognised as prog, are still undoubtedly progressive. This definitely is happening in hip hop, which is why Steven Wilson made his (in)famous comment that the only real progressive music these days was occurring in hip hop. I don’t agree that it is the only real progressive music being made, but it is being made. Progressive hip hop is a thing, so I don’t even have a problem with hip hop being the entry point to prog - and if you think it can’t be, you are happily wrong!
I know two people in NZ (one a friend, and one a relation) who pretty much exclusively listened to hip hop and r&b. But since listening to some of the more progressive hip hop that is starting to enter (or at least sit on the fringes of) the mainstream, they themselves have progressed onto other music genres. One has headed towards jazz and fusion sounds, while the other has headed towards prog rock. Neither are people I would ever have expected to move outside their comfort zones, or ever listen to anything other than hip hop and r&b (and there would have been nothing wrong if that were the case, too).
The entry points to prog appreciation are wide and varied. It’s narrow-minded and condescending to imply some are less worthy than others, in my opinion. If you weren’t implying that, and it is merely my inference, I apologise in advance. 😄
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