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^Logan, the video you posted "Balrog Boogie" is certainly not prog metal in any way. It is a jazz opera tune with crunch guitar. Does any Diablo Swing Orchestra fit the prog metal category?

Kind of a fun song, not crazy about the vocals. What baffles me is that band is classified as prog metal yet Freak Kitchen (a heavy and progressive band) does not have a spot in any category on PA. I suggested them but it was rejected.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 05:17
There's way more heavy progressive rock than progressive metal that I like, and much more classic 70s "heavy metal" that I like than later metal, or metal metal.

This is a favourite heavy rockin' track of mine (did a poll using another track the other day):



It;s included in Psych, but could easily be described as Heavy Prog and of the Krautrock ilk.

Some of m favourite classic albums on the heavy side are (some are heavier than others and some are heavier in different ways):

Armaggedon - Armaggedon (1970)
Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You (1970)
Birth Control - Hoodoo Man (1972)
Black Widow - Sacrifice (1970)
Blue Cheer - Vincebus Eruptum (1968)
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond (1972)
Coven - Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls (1969)
Damnation of Adam Blessing - The Damnation of Adam Blessing (1969)
Gun - Gun (1968)
High Tide - Sea Shanties (1969)
Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend (1970)
Message - From Books and Dreams (1973)
Sir Lord Baltimore - Kingdom Come (1970)
Writing on the Wall - The Power of the Picts (1969)
Yesterday's Children - Yesterday's Children (1970)

Did a poll of those before.

As for PA's "progressive metal" genres, I tend to favour Post Metal.

Agalloch is a favourite of mine.

Kayo Dot is one I like with metal qualities (really diverse discography) and used to be included ian metal category here. I like bands such as Secret Chiefs 3, Hoyry-Kone Taal, and Alamaailman Vasarat that incorporate metal.

My favourite band included in the "Progressive Metal" category is Diablo Swing Orchestra.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 04:49
^I relate to not connecting musically with people. If you can listen to free jazz all day then you are more open minded than me. That stuff is brutal.

I will listen again to your Pestilence video. Was that one of the bands you were in?
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

can we not complain anymore actually discuss, mention bands we listen and like and so on. Just saying... 

Sure we can, it just keeps getting ignored. I made an entire thread for Pestilence Spheres that nobody cared about, lol Wink.


I don't think you are ignored, just that people either don't know or do not listen to progressive death metal. 
I know Pestilence, although I haven't listened to them in a long time. Guitar work and rhythm section are great, the vocals not so much. If the vocals don't grate my ear I can listen to any kind of death metal. 
There are a few bands but not that many. Embarrassed

I LOVE hearing where people are unable to listen past, lol. Probably why I have a hard time connecting musically with people; it's all music to me I have no biases. I can listen to free jazz all day and never get bored of the cacophony.

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I like Evergrey.  Their first couple of albums are a bit too metal for me, but I like Recreation Day and after quite a bit.  The Inner Circle is probably my favorite from them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2020 at 15:29
^I'm a mild Evergrey fan and that was a good song.

Their DVD "A Night to Remember" is amazing. Not only good music and audio, but the extras are extensive and worth your time.

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one of my favorite Evergrey songs Smile

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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I've only just realised Haken are heavy prog, opinions on the new album? I should have a review for it soon.
Everything is "Heavy Prog" and "Crossover Prog", nothing is "All Prog"..........LOL
I know what you mean LOL
What I meant was is that I just realised this is a good place to discuss Haken.
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You could always start a Haken Appreciation page, not sure one exists......Blaze the trail homeboy!!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I've only just realised Haken are heavy prog, opinions on the new album? I should have a review for it soon.
Everything is "Heavy Prog" and "Crossover Prog", nothing is "All Prog"..........LOL
I know what you mean LOL
What I meant was is that I just realised this is a good place to discuss Haken.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I've only just realised Haken are heavy prog, opinions on the new album? I should have a review for it soon.
Everything is "Heavy Prog" and "Crossover Prog", nothing is "All Prog"..........LOL
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I've only just realised Haken are heavy prog, opinions on the new album? I should have a review for it soon.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

A lot of bands and the videos to me are prog metal lite, like reeeeeeally lite. I don't do any death metal so I guess prog metal sits between death metal and heavy prog/hard rock prog.

Some of Redemption is about as hard as I get, Snowfall On Judgment Day is a great album.

As far as DT goes, I listen to everything up to BC&SL, after that it really is boring music. Some of ADToE is very good but I suspect Portnoy had a lot of collab with Petrucci on those songs before MP exited stage left. Train Of Thought to me is the classic prog metal album, I love that album and doubt DT will record anything like it ever. It has all the excesses of prog and the metal drumming and guitar, Labrie actually sounds good on that one.




I also love DT up tu Silver Clouds... though I don't really find much to rescue from ADToE. And my favourite album is indeed Train of Thought too. Usually they have songs that I like and some others that I find rather weak, but this one is mostly great. The only disc better, for me, than this one is disc one of Six Degrees, but unfortunatley that's a double one, and the second disc, the title suite, just doesn't do anything for me.
We are very much on the same page regarding DT. I suppose I am not too interested in any prog metal after 2010, it seems it became too messy and bands that I did like before then, for some reason stopped recording.....or in the case of Riverside went to the lite side of the force. Whereas a band like Haken went IMO, too hard to the thrash side and too much wonking on keyboards combined with guitars. I'm glad for their first few albums.
It seems there is a lot of prog metal out there now, but nothing too interesting for my ears......I'll keep trying.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

A lot of bands and the videos to me are prog metal lite, like reeeeeeally lite. I don't do any death metal so I guess prog metal sits between death metal and heavy prog/hard rock prog.

Some of Redemption is about as hard as I get, Snowfall On Judgment Day is a great album.

As far as DT goes, I listen to everything up to BC&SL, after that it really is boring music. Some of ADToE is very good but I suspect Portnoy had a lot of collab with Petrucci on those songs before MP exited stage left. Train Of Thought to me is the classic prog metal album, I love that album and doubt DT will record anything like it ever. It has all the excesses of prog and the metal drumming and guitar, Labrie actually sounds good on that one.




I also love DT up tu Silver Clouds... though I don't really find much to rescue from ADToE. And my favourite album is indeed Train of Thought too. Usually they have songs that I like and some others that I find rather weak, but this one is mostly great. The only disc better, for me, than this one is disc one of Six Degrees, but unfortunatley that's a double one, and the second disc, the title suite, just doesn't do anything for me.
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Freak Kitchen are superb but not prog enough for PA?

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It seems to me the peak of prog metal was roughly between 1992 and 2005. By then it started to change. Maybe even slightly earlier than 2005. 
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I really like Prog Metal. Perhaps my favourite sub-genre after 70's symphonic. And I do believe they reigned supreme in the 00's. However, it would seem that by this decade their time has already past. My favourites would be, I guess, the more common names: Dream Theater, Ayreon, Riverside, Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Devin Townsend. And if they are really considered Prog Metal (though not really for me), then also Nightwish, Epica, Therion, Rhapsody of Fire. About the growlings, I have never been much of a fan of them. The only artist that has made me enjoy them, in some songs, is Devin Townsend, anyone else, I might like the songs despite the growling (and then, usually I choos none growling songs).
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Lots of good and great recommendations here.

Here's a progressive power metal song. 



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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I like Antidepressive Delivery, by the way, Grumpy Prog Fan.
Cool. You like one of the five I posted. 20% is better than zero.    

Pyramid Theorem, was good. I shall check them out.

^Great. Their bassist by the way, Christian Di Mambro is a member here, under the name of PT2112.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

A lot of bands and the videos to me are prog metal lite, like reeeeeeally lite. I don't do any death metal so I guess prog metal sits between death metal and heavy prog/hard rock prog.

Some of Redemption is about as hard as I get, Snowfall On Judgment Day is a great album.

As far as DT goes, I listen to everything up to BC&SL, after that it really is boring music. Some of ADToE is very good but I suspect Portnoy had a lot of collab with Petrucci on those songs before MP exited stage left. Train Of Thought to me is the classic prog metal album, I love that album and doubt DT will record anything like it ever. It has all the excesses of prog and the metal drumming and guitar, Labrie actually sounds good on that one.


You should give their last one a chance - Distance Over Time - I haven't had fun with DT like that since Octavarium. 

Strangely, the only band Portnoy's been in that I really enjoy is his hard rock project The Winery Dogs. Flying Colors is also pretty enjoyable. But the rest not so much. Neal Morse is fine but often a chore to listen to, Portnoy's project with Russel Allen, Adrenaline Mob,  was bland and his own DT, Sons of Apollo rather boring to me. 
DOT did nothing for me, but I was so consumed with the hideously boring monstrosity of The Astonishing, it clouded my ears badly...still does ! LOL I'll revisit DOT soon....

I don't really care for any of Portnoy's side bands like AM, Winery Dogs and Sons of Apollo is terrible. His drumming in Neal Morse projects is what I like, most of the Neal Morse band stuff I like because Neal has so much input. Flying Colors the first album is really good, the rest is forgettable for me.....Neal just has so much stuff going on all the time, quantity over quality is the issue.
Hoping the new Transatlantic album will be more on task and be a true Transatlantic record than a mix of everything Neal and Portnoy.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I like Antidepressive Delivery, by the way, Grumpy Prog Fan.
Cool. You like one of the five I posted. 20% is better than zero.    

Pyramid Theorem, was good. I shall check them out.
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