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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

some of their songs have been overplayed, I mean I don't want to hear Money For Nothing any time soon. Or Romeo & Juliet, Walk of Life. 





I'm prepared to make an exception for the middle song in that list but that's it. I feel similarly about U2's  With Or Without You.

Those were probably the 2 eighties bands I really disliked the most from that decade. Even Duran Duran were more interesting which is saying something Tongue


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2020 at 08:24
Great band, not especially prog though.  "Making Movies" is awesome, and the title track to "Brothers in Arms" sends chills up and down my spine every time
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Admittedly, Manitas de Plata and other great flamenco players are the real greatest guitarists of all time. 
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Agreed. To be fair, I don't think Knopfler is the best guitarist ever compared to people like Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, but I think he's done some of the best guitar solos, and he is also far more poetic in his writing than most people on Rolling Stone's top 100 guitarists list in my opinion. 

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I think, if it may be suggested, that you need to listen to a few more guitarists ... when you get out of the "song" business, and into serious guitarists let me know ... Hendrix is good and Clapton is good, but I seriously doubt that anyone will compare them to some of the "masters" in Europe in guitar playing and even some of the worst pickers in the streets of Madrid and Barcelona ... they would all make those two look silly and beginner guitar players, although I would love to have seen Jimi show up in there and tell them ... I'll show you what can be done ... but for someone that ended up stuck in blues, sadly, it was not going to happen for us all to see!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2020 at 08:40
No, but one or two of their albums are considered prog. They were sort of roots rock and then later pop rock. I remember I had their last album on cassette and remember thinking parts of it were rather Floydish so they definitely had their prog moments but over all no not prog. Also, there is one undeniable prog connection and that is that Pick Withers who was the drummer on their first four albums also played with the early English prog band Spring and is on the mellotron debut album from 1971.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote miamiscot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2020 at 07:28
That's a very hard "NO" and I am in favor of a large Prog tent (yes, I believe XTC should be included here) but Dire Straits are not even that progressive - let alone capital "P" Prog...

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

When I was 14, I thought John Illsley was the best bassist, then I bought Never Told a Soul and knew............he wasn’t 🤪
yeah, Illsley was no genius but he could get a groove going and probably fit their stripped down sound.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote FatherChristmas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2020 at 04:46
Agreed. To be fair, I don't think Knopfler is the best guitarist ever compared to people like Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, but I think he's done some of the best guitar solos, and he is also far more poetic in his writing than most people on Rolling Stone's top 100 guitarists list in my opinion. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2020 at 13:56
If Dire Staits is rock for people who don't like rock music, I must be one of those who don't like rock music...

And Mark Knopfler is one of my favourite guitarists - his playing is much more poetic than many of those move-your-fingers-as-fast-as-you-can guitar players that dominate f.e. Rolling Stone's top 100 of guitarists and which I often find boring and unimaginative - but maybe that's just me...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2020 at 09:40
When I was 14, I thought John Illsley was the best bassist, then I bought Never Told a Soul and knew............he wasn’t 🤪
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ You were bored to death by Making Movies? Confused

I'm bored to death by pretty much anything I've every heard by them....
I can tell that you're not a guitarist! LOL
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

No , just a terribly overrated band with annoying vocals (like U2 and many other eighties bands) .


Yeah, I could probably go with this....

My dislike of DS may be marginally less than yours. but alongside U2 they do represent an 1980's, I'd rather forget; the 'cool' kids at school, strutting around in Rattle & Hum, or Brothers in Arms tee shirts, like they'd just discovered the guitar. They needed reminding that two years before they were listening to A-Ha and Go West (both of which I'd also rather listen to than U2 & DS )

Dire Straights, U2, INXS et al = Rock music for people who don't like rock music.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ You were bored to death by Making Movies? Confused

I'm bored to death by pretty much anything I've every heard by them....
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Great band but not prog. (Maybe a few hints of it on some songs.)
 
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

No , just a terribly overrated band with annoying vocals (like U2 and many other eighties bands) .


Yeah, I could probably go with this....

My dislike of DS may be marginally less than yours. but alongside U2 they do represent an 1980's, I'd rather forget; the 'cool' kids at school, strutting around in Rattle & Hum, or Brothers in Arms tee shirts, like they'd just discovered the guitar. They needed reminding that two years before they were listening to A-Ha and Go West (both of which I'd also rather listen to than U2 & DS )

Dire Straights, U2, INXS et al = Rock music for people who don't like rock music.

The Dire Straits music comes from the tradition of English rockblues, to which is added American roots rock, and some prog ambitions. All with velvety and mainstream production. 

U2 has nothing to do with it, they come from the post punk or post new wave scene, and their rock is much more rough and with a nearly seventies sound. The two audiences have little in common. Obviously you may like or not these two groups, but they are among the best of their genre, in that years. 

The music of U2 up to Achtung Baby has neither the sound nor the typical production of the eighties. 

Inxs, on the contrary, are a three-minute single group with an eighties-style pumped sound, they managed to produce good pop-rock-funky singles but as far as albums are concerned, they are two spans under U2 and Dire Straits.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mascodagama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2020 at 07:14
They just need their own sub-genre, Pub Rock Prog.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ You were bored to death by Making Movies? Confused


even the album sleeve is boring as hell Sleepy


 




 
Well, at least we agree about the cover! LOL Tunnel Of Love is their most progressive song and features a melodic and electrifying lead that most guitarists could only dream of playing, but c'est la vie.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

No......but Knopfler is a killer guitarist.

...and Pick Withers the drummer in DS used to be in the prog band 'Spring'.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2020 at 03:07
About as Prog as Elton John - that is ; they dabbled with elements of Prog without fully indulging in the complexities.
Didn’t the last Eagles album feature many longer tracks ??
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No for me ! Dire Straits: very good classic rock with some progressive moments (Telegraph Road and some other tracks).
 
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