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Posted: August 05 2021 at 07:15

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Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

Possibly you missed it, but on the previous page of this thread Tapfret had some questions for you regarding your claim of being tested before every shift.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 06:36

Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 05:24

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For example NOBODY can even prove that the virus exists. It has never been isolated.

This has been held up by the Supreme Court in Germany and a similar court case in Alberta, Canada just ruled that there is NO PROOF that the virus exists.

You learn what they tell you but that doesn't mean it's correct.

There's a reason i left the world of biology as a means for making a living.

They have based an entire system on false paradigms.

There are many things in science that are still classified as theoretical as they cannot be seen or measured but are believed to exist due to indirect events and causality. We cannot "see" sub atomic particles but believe that they exist because we can measure radiation from certain types. We believe the Covid virus exists because the administering of vaccines has the ability to almost stop all those who are vaccinated from catching it. The proof that it exists is our ability to understand it and control it to a very high degree. That is the real science.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 04:48

siLLy puPPy wrote:

Tapfret wrote:

siLLy puPPy wrote:

Tapfret wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

Seems to me the practical issue is if hospitals fill up with unvaccinated then it will be harder to get other forms of medical treatment for everyone.

Practical issue? But, but... my freedom. WHAT ABOUT MY FREEDOM??!!!??! ME! ME! ME!

But no. I come in to monitor threads like and I see categorical bullsh*t like "mRNA vaccines are experimental gene-therapy".

You obviously haven't done your homework either. Excuse me, my Toad friend but mRNA vaccines ARE experiential gene therapy injections and absolutely nobody can deny that.

^Don't tell me I don't do my research. Its part of my job! Constant continuing education courses are required to maintain licensure and specialization certification. And many of those required hours over the last year directly pertained to C19. My specialty is oncology, when all hands on deck aren't fighting a pandemic. How cancer scrambles your DNA, gene expression etc. is key to understanding and treating patients with the disease. Additionally, one of my foci in microbiology was phage transduction (antibiotic resistance transferred between bacterial cells by viruses, called phages, that infect bacteria, directly altering gene expression within host bacteria through transfer of DNA). I'm not going to tout myself as an expert. There are people out there with layer upon layer of degrees and peer-reviewed research in immunology, the vast majority of whom are onboard with current treatment modalities. But saying "You obviously haven't done your homework either" is not just arrogant and dismissive of my own work and requirements, but the entire medical profession.

Plus, you just posted a source that directly contradicts your assertions.

"2 How does gene therapy work?

...A new gene is inserted directly into a cell...

6 What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work?

...mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA..."

Not gene therapy. End of story!

You are incorrect about this but i don't have time to debate this. I've seen more than enough evidence to be convinced myself.

Sorry but the medical system teaches lots of stuff that has never been proven.

For example NOBODY can even prove that the virus exists. It has never been isolated.

This has been held up by the Supreme Court in Germany and a similar court case in Alberta, Canada just ruled that there is NO PROOF that the virus exists.

You learn what they tell you but that doesn't mean it's correct.

There's a reason i left the world of biology as a means for making a living.

They have based an entire system on false paradigms.

Utter cobblers. In the real world, the virus has been isolated, mapped and vaccines designed to attach to the spike protein. Numerous laboratories have released electron microscope images of the virus and different strains have been identified in exactly this way.

I know I should bite, but........

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 02:39

I've learned officials in Tokyo, where Olympic Games are being held, will confirm more than 5000 new COVID19 infection cases today, the highest daily tally the capital has seen. More than half of the total cases are young guys who do not wear masks and have not got any single jab yet. We are sure wearing masks should be quite important. Unhappy

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Posted: August 04 2021 at 19:51

omphaloskepsis wrote:

Are the vaccines FDA approved?

NO! They are not.

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Posted: August 04 2021 at 19:50

Tapfret wrote:

siLLy puPPy wrote:

Tapfret wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

Seems to me the practical issue is if hospitals fill up with unvaccinated then it will be harder to get other forms of medical treatment for everyone.

Practical issue? But, but... my freedom. WHAT ABOUT MY FREEDOM??!!!??! ME! ME! ME!

But no. I come in to monitor threads like and I see categorical bullsh*t like "mRNA vaccines are experimental gene-therapy".

You obviously haven't done your homework either. Excuse me, my Toad friend but mRNA vaccines ARE experiential gene therapy injections and absolutely nobody can deny that.

Plus, you just posted a source that directly contradicts your assertions.

"2 How does gene therapy work?

...A new gene is inserted directly into a cell...

6 What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work?

...mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA..."

Not gene therapy. End of story!

You are incorrect about this but i don't have time to debate this. I've seen more than enough evidence to be convinced myself.

Sorry but the medical system teaches lots of stuff that has never been proven.

For example NOBODY can even prove that the virus exists. It has never been isolated.

This has been held up by the Supreme Court in Germany and a similar court case in Alberta, Canada just ruled that there is NO PROOF that the virus exists.

You learn what they tell you but that doesn't mean it's correct.

There's a reason i left the world of biology as a means for making a living.

They have based an entire system on false paradigms.

Edited by siLLy puPPy - August 04 2021 at 19:59

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Posted: August 04 2021 at 19:48

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@siLLy puPPy: The text you have posted states that Covid-19 vaccines are authorised by the FDA, so what do you mean by "unapproved"?

The difference between fully approved by the FDA and authorized by an emergency declaration: The former goes through a series of rigorous testing whereas the latter means that they were rushed through and still going through testing. Only an emergency declaration can allow them to jump the gun.

Edited by siLLy puPPy - August 04 2021 at 19:55

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Posted: August 04 2021 at 19:25

omphaloskepsis wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

omphaloskepsis wrote:

If you can catch Covid after vaccination...What good is vaccination?

I don't get it Cindy, in the past you said you were a nurse. Most nurses I know around here are fairly educated on things like this.

I am a nurse. I get tested for Covid before every shift. I was tested less than 24 hours ago, and I'll be tested again in six hours.

I'm trying to ascertain the covid knowledge base of the folks on this thread.

That said, I only know of two people who died after contracting Covid a second time. That's seems low to me. Perhaps someone here could update that data?

Tested every shift? Very surprising and the first I have heard of any healthcare facility doing that. That is not something my hospital would, nor probably could ever do. There are hundreds of doctors, nurses, therapists and ancillary staff with direct patient contact. The cost and logistics, even for rapid testing, would be daunting to do that many people at once everyday before they start their shift.

How large is your facility? Is it everybody, or just those on covid units? Just RNs and CNA's or everybody?

All we do is a standard line item asymptomatic and non-exposure attestation when we come in. Anybody who is symptomatic or has a known exposure initiates testing x2 with 48 hour gap. Quarantine in testing phase, ending if second test negative with symptoms only, continue quarantine if positive or known exposure. I can't remember of hand if they are still doing 14, 10 or 7 days on the quarantine.

As far as reinfection mortality, I am not personally aware of any and never inquired or researched beyond some preliminary numbers being floated regarding post-infection immunity.

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Posted: August 04 2021 at 14:48

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^When somebody starts making assertions about the vaccine it sends up red flags. It has become so frustrating and tiresome trying to provide healthcare and education to people on a constant diet of Newsmax and Tucker Carlson. The public understanding of their own health in the U.S is embarrassingly bad to start with, but then throw in that variable and its impossible to get through the haze of disinformation. Without getting into specifics, someone without covid actually declined a completely unrelated life sustaining treatment because the treatment might be contaminated with the poisonous covid vaccine.

Maybe that's not where you are coming from, but it would be the exception to the norm as far as my encounters. And I get it. I would avoid the flu vaccine in the past because the efficacy rate was so appallingly low. At the time I didn't fully grasp the concept that the vaccine also serves to decrease severity and duration of influenza. Also, at the time, I had not gotten the flu since junior high, so it seemed pointless. In the case of the covid vaccine, I found no reason not to take it. mRNA use in vaccines seemed to work similarly to a monoclonal antibody (they are actually incorporating mRNA into MABs now). And, I had seen enough of what covid does in acute disease that not taking it just seemed dumb. Especially when I would potentially have to care for covid patients one day, and back to my immune suppressed patient population the next. They were not requiring it. It was just the responsible thing to do.

As far as your concern that we are heading to totalitarianism, I don't know what to tell you. I wonder if you have you ever talked to someone that has actually lived in a totalitarian state? It would be interesting to hear what the have to say about your concern. I mean, we just got rid of a guy who actually did abuse emergency power because there were some poor people at the border. But its strange to me to not expect short-term limitation during disasters like pandemics. There is really no evidence that they will be permanent. And nobody is going to keep you from getting groceries.

Anyway, you do you. If you think you have to go to war with the government, that's fine. Good luck with that. The fact is, emergency powers have been used before and they eventually relax. No reason to think it won't be the same this time.

On a related note:

Any guesses what's going to happen in the greater Chicago area in 10-14 days? I'm guessing the same thing that happened 10-14 days after Independence day.

I think I see like 10 masks at this "mask required" event. Not really doing totalitarianism right.

I hope you’re right that the mandates are only temporary. However, it doesn’t make sense not to let kids attend schools if they have the same immunity if not better than those that have been vaccinated. Some companies that are in the no jab no job list are, Google, Netflix, BlackRock, Walt Disney, Facebook, Morgan Stanley, Washington Post, Twitter and many others. I guess the bureaucrats in Italy are much smarter than the US; or maybe less greedy.

Looking at the VAERS data the number of adverse effects is much greater than any other vaccine. The number of deaths is also much higher, it’s probably around 7,000 now. However, if you calculate the number of people vaccinated, percentage wise it’s still not bad.

The other factor is long term effects, which no-one knows because there is no long-term data yet. I really hope there will be very minimal to no complications. I don’t see a reason for anyone that went through covid to gamble on either the short-term risks and the unknown long-term risks.

What should send red flags is all the censorship. Why are prominent scientists and doctors being censored, threatened with legal actions as well as personal threats? Our government has hired the same people that fight terrorist organizations to go after these individuals. If you suppress one side, then we all know where that can lead. You can’t have a once sided debate..

Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather are not anti-vaxxers and are probably some of the most vaccinated people on the planet. As biologists they travel all over the world to places such as the Amazon, hence all the vaccines. When they first looked at the virus, they had a very strong suspicion that it did not originate in nature but came from a lab. With all their credentials they were mocked and censored along with anyone else that didn’t follow the narrative.

Dr. Robert Malone appeared on one of their podcasts that lasted 3 hours. I was only able to view 1 hour of it but downloaded it because I knew it would be taken down. Sure enough, it’s no longer available on YouTube, but you may be able to find it elsewhere. Dr. Malone build the core platform for mRNA and was credit as the inventor of the mRNA technology. He was credited but no longer, Wikipedia scrubbed his name out. His Linkedin account was shut down along with other backlashes against him.

Malone compiled and graphed data as to where the vaccine travels within a 48-hour period. It was said that it remains in the site of the injection. However, this is not what the data was showing him. It travels throughout the body, including bone marrow.

Malone states we should be on the lookout for cancer such as leukemia 5-15 years down the road. He also expresses that this is all unknown, but we should be cognizant about it and recommended routine testing for early treatment if necessary. For women there is a very high concentration in the ovaries. Alarmed, he had the data and graph peer reviewed after which he sent his findings through the appropriate channels. If I’m not mistaken it was sent to the CDC as well as other outfits. According to Malone it fell on deaf ears, so he decided to speak out.

I viewed several of Bret’s podcasts called DarkHorse. Although I don’t agree with all his or his guest’s views, it’s intellectual and thought provoking. At times his guests are not in agreement but that’s what makes the discussions interesting and challenging. Highly recommended...

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 11:42

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^ Even here in the 'south', I know plenty of repubs who have their vaccine. The problem is that a lot of repub politicians in the south cater to the ignorant redneck mentality that has become much of their voter base since hollywood donald usurped the party for his own gain and attracted much ignorance and ugliness to the party.

Whats left of the old college educated repubs take covid seriously, its the very vocal ignorant segment that is pulling the strings of sheep like politicians that is the problem, and who get way more media attention than they deserve. Governors DeSantis and Abbot are a disgrace.

Yes, I know a few 'northern' repubs that have gotten the vaccine, but like those of the south, they are of the old school Regan/Bush faction and are a small percentage of the republican party now. God, I miss those good old days.

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 11:19

^ Even here in the 'south', I know plenty of repubs who have their vaccine. The problem is that a lot of repub politicians in the south cater to the ignorant redneck mentality that has become much of their voter base since hollywood donald usurped the party for his own gain and attracted much ignorance and ugliness to the party.

Whats left of the old college educated repubs take covid seriously, its the very vocal ignorant segment that is pulling the strings of sheep like politicians that is the problem, and who get way more media attention than they deserve. Governors DeSantis and Abbot are a disgrace.

Edited by Easy Money - August 03 2021 at 11:22

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 11:07

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Republicans think that the vaccine is BS, politically motivated and won't take it. That might just be the thing that cripples the Republican party in years to come. The loss of voters. How ironic?

To be fair, not all of them think this way. I have Republican friends and relatives here who got the vaccine as soon as it was available for their age group/job classification. Regrettably, this is a much smaller portion of their voting bloc than Democrats or Independents. But yeah, this could hurt them in future voter turnout depending on how far they go with voter suppression laws and/or the overturning of local election boards.

You're correct. I should have said southern state Republicans, with Florida at the head of the list.

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 10:28

Easy Money wrote:

omphaloskepsis wrote:

If you can catch Covid after vaccination...What good is vaccination?

I don't get it Cindy, in the past you said you were a nurse. Most nurses I know around here are fairly educated on things like this.

I am a nurse. I get tested for Covid before every shift. I was tested less than 24 hours ago, and I'll be tested again in six hours.

I'm trying to ascertain the covid knowledge base of the folks on this thread.

That said, I only know of two people who died after contracting Covid a second time. That's seems low to me. Perhaps someone here could update that data?

Edited by omphaloskepsis - August 03 2021 at 10:29

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 10:13

omphaloskepsis wrote:

If you can catch Covid after vaccination...What good is vaccination?

I don't get it Cindy, in the past you said you were a nurse. Most nurses I know around here are fairly educated on things like this.

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 10:10

Darwin was right LOL

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Posted: August 03 2021 at 09:58

Republicans think that the vaccine is BS, politically motivated and won't take it. That might just be the thing that cripples the Republican party in years to come. The loss of voters. How ironic?

Edited by SteveG - August 03 2021 at 10:04

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