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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

thanks.. and no man you ain't the only one with Soon Over Babaluma..  there are a few of us.  Personally I think it took the best of Tago Mago and Future Days and was the perfect culmination of what they had they messed around with earlier albums.  I think they realized it was well and perhaps wasn't really a suprise that after that album they made a marked stylsitic shift..  they hit perfection on that album.  I think that takes a bit of time and reflection spent with Can perhaps to realize.   I've been listening to them for years.. and it took years for that album to really click and perhaps to realize just what I was listening to.  

and yeah man.. tastes are tastes.. nothing to be done about that.  It is why I waged a long and bitter campaign, one of the few I actually lost, to not just have that list on the main page removed but also get rid of those stupid rating.. and in it's place and a more formal reasoned list of important and influential albums. A list to be done by the people who know more than just the groups they like. My thought was to have the genre teams and the collabs do it.  That job meant you had to listen to all kinds of stuff, not just what you like, and to be a collab... at least back in the day... you had to know your sh*t about prog, and music in general.
Very interesting list. Number one Palepoli, wow. Three Italians in the top 5. I should show your list to ome Italian journal or siteof prog. But even for me it's not easy to find Italians albums in the top 20. Sure not Pfm Or Banco. Osanna Balketto di Bronzo and Area aremost interesting for me. .
Then, in your list King Crimson and VDGg are absents. For me it's not possible, I consider Hammill and Wyatt the most gifted artist of prog. And Frip is close.
 
Then, last but not least, you are right, there should be a top 50 or a to 100 liat of albums madefrom collaborators andreviers of the sute.
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thanks.. and no man you ain't the only one with Soon Over Babaluma..  there are a few of us.  Personally I think it took the best of Tago Mago and Future Days and was the perfect culmination of what they had they messed around with earlier albums.  I think they realized it was well and perhaps wasn't really a suprise that after that album they made a marked stylsitic shift..  they hit perfection on that album.  I think that takes a bit of time and reflection spent with Can perhaps to realize.   I've been listening to them for years.. and it took years for that album to really click and perhaps to realize just what I was listening to.  

and yeah man.. tastes are tastes.. nothing to be done about that.  It is why I waged a long and bitter campaign, one of the few I actually lost, to not just have that list on the main page removed but also get rid of those stupid rating.. and in it's place and a more formal reasoned list of important and influential albums. A list to be done by the people who know more than just the groups they like. My thought was to have the genre teams and the collabs do it.  That job meant you had to listen to all kinds of stuff, not just what you like, and to be a collab... at least back in the day... you had to know your sh*t about prog, and music in general.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



1.  Osanna - Palepoli.  by no means the greatest prog album ever done.. you have to be English to get that nod for great impact and influence.. but quality.. sh*t. they got little on the master of music themselves. The Italians. May not ever be in a grts prog album list but to these ears the best and most creative prog album ever done. It had it all.. and then some.  More creative than pretty much anything anyone did..and oh.. it f**kING ROCKS!!!

2. Yes - Tales  -  said enough about it

3a - Balletto di Bronzo - the single darkest, hardest and heaviest prog.. sh*t.. rock album ever done. Some have considered it the best prog album ever made. I wouldnt' go quite that far.. a bit too monochromatic to really consider it that.  But what really is not debatable it his hands down the best keyboard based rock album ever recorded.  

3b.  Franco Battiato - Sulle Corde di Aries -  toss copy of this into my casket before I go up in flames.. for I hear the beer tastes like piss in hell and I might as well have something great to listen to down there.  A truly spiritual listen.. was thefirst time I heard it. .still is today. 

5. Can - Soon over Babaluma -  Talk about an album crashing the Mick Fav album party over the last few years. While YS was a call to action for your balls, Sulle Corde for the heart... this one is for one's head.  

6. ADII - Yeti
7. Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden
8. Magma - Kobaia
9. Dungen - Tio Bitar
10. ELO - ELO2
11. Radiohead - OK Computer
12. Popol Vuh - Hosianna Mantra
13. Captain Beyond - S/T
14. UT Gret - Ancestor's Tale
15. Bo Hansson - Lord the Rings
16. Yes - Close to the Edge
17. PFM - Storia di un Minuto
18. BOC - Secret Treaties
19. Guapo - Elixers
20. Le Orme - Uomo di Pezza

Cool list, with Soon Over Babaluma the leading Can album (I thought I was the only one) and massively good stuff such as Battiato, Talk Talk, OK Computer, much of which doesn't make its way on many lists.
Then I never got into TFTO and love VDGG, so agreement always has to end somewhere when it comes to taste, I guess...
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^ This serious evaluation should keep you occupied for some time .
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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

^ I notice Genesis have crept in. Is that because you’ve just rated it?


For now,  the new entries are Comus and Genesis with Trespass (I'm still evaluating The Lamb). 

This is a provisional list, I know that there are many albums that, when I listen to them well, will certainly take over from those who have taken 9. 

Art Zoyd, Can, Amon Duul, Soft Machine, Univers Zero, Magma etc could enter.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 14 2019 at 12:39
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Thanks Ian!  

hmmmm....  how many people have you seen run screaming and cussing you for suggesting those albums to people. Like you I've spent a good many years kicking around prog forums and seeing how these new cats react to these albums as they discover them. Never really heard the kinds of reactions with those to those I can tell you.. I have seen many do so with YS.. that is why good reviewers.. the really good ones put a warning label on YS.  Never heard any particular need for that with those.  Heavy, dark? Sure they are.. but I think YS is considered and rightfully so to be the king of that.. by a good country mile... said best by myself.. it is 40 minutes of being beat over the head by a 2x4.. then having your head ripped completely off as a parting gift. It isn't just dark and heavy.. the intensity of it. It never really lets up for the whole album which is why I consider it a bit too monochromatic to be considered the best prog album ever made as some of the old school progheads have done.


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Nice list micky, on Balletto di Bronzo I'd call UZ - Heresie & Shub Niggurath - Les Mort Vont Vite are certainly darker & Electric Masada - At The Mountains Of Madness is certainly heavier. 
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probably hasn't changed much since the last ones done in various threads..

no particular order only in as they come to me.. which means in some half assed way.. they are in order

1.  Osanna - Palepoli.  by no means the greatest prog album ever done.. you have to be English to get that nod for great impact and influence.. but quality.. sh*t. they got little on the master of music themselves. The Italians. May not ever be in a grts prog album list but to these ears the best and most creative prog album ever done. It had it all.. and then some.  More creative than pretty much anything anyone did..and oh.. it f**kING ROCKS!!!

2. Yes - Tales  -  said enough about it

3a - Balletto di Bronzo - the single darkest, hardest and heaviest prog.. sh*t.. rock album ever done. Some have considered it the best prog album ever made. I wouldnt' go quite that far.. a bit too monochromatic to really consider it that.  But what really is not debatable it his hands down the best keyboard based rock album ever recorded.  

3b.  Franco Battiato - Sulle Corde di Aries -  toss copy of this into my casket before I go up in flames.. for I hear the beer tastes like piss in hell and I might as well have something great to listen to down there.  A truly spiritual listen.. was thefirst time I heard it. .still is today. 

5. Can - Soon over Babaluma -  Talk about an album crashing the Mick Fav album party over the last few years. While YS was a call to action for your balls, Sulle Corde for the heart... this one is for one's head.  

6. ADII - Yeti
7. Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden
8. Magma - Kobaia
9. Dungen - Tio Bitar
10. ELO - ELO2
11. Radiohead - OK Computer
12. Popol Vuh - Hosianna Mantra
13. Captain Beyond - S/T
14. UT Gret - Ancestor's Tale
15. Bo Hansson - Lord the Rings
16. Yes - Close to the Edge
17. PFM - Storia di un Minuto
18. BOC - Secret Treaties
19. Guapo - Elixers
20. Le Orme - Uomo di Pezza
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Great list Jean, always good to see Captain Lockheed.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

with a few notable exceptions LOL Love the list Jean and here..  have one too..  Beeras I'm about to finish the first of the day.

yeah, I can imagine "Pawn Hearts" and "The Fall of the House of Usher" not to be to your liking. you belong to that bunch of infidels that refuse to accept that "Peter Hammill is God" Angry LOL (Friede and I actually saw a guy in a t-shirt with that inscription at a PH concert. when we talked to him he told us that he follows him from concert to concert all over the world)


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with a few notable exceptions LOL Love the list Jean and here..  have one too..  Beeras I'm about to finish the first of the day.
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in alphabetic order (by artists), and as usual only one album per artist:

Amon Düül 2 - Tanz der Lemminge
Ash Ra Tempel - Ash Ra Tempel
Calvert, Robert - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters
Can - Tago Mago
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond
Dzyan - Electric Silence
Eloy - Floating
Embryo - Rocksession
Froese, Edgar - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
Genesis - Nursery Cryme (self-made edition including "Happy the Man" and "Twilight Alehouse")
Gong - You
Guru Guru - Känguru
Hammill, Peter - The Fall of the House of Usher (1999 version)
Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time
High Tide - Sea Shanties
King Crimson - Lizard
Mother Gong - Fairy Tales
Nektar - Recycled
Pink Floyd - Meddle (would have liked to choose "Ummagumma" but I think it is excluded by your rules)
Popol Vuh - Affenstunde
Schulze, Klaus - Mirage
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon
Turner, Nik - Xitintoday
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Yes - Relayer

some of them will be on many people's list, others are not that well known ("Fairy Tales" or "Xitintoday", for example). as usual, this list might be different any other day


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great list IanClap and a much too early Beer but in my defense.. it is a f**king good witbier haha

I haven't done up a list in sometime ..  I'll post mine a bit later.  In driveby shooting mode right now
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No particular order.

Univers Zero - Ceux Du Dehors
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic
Vezhlivy Otkaz - Gusi-Lebedi
Henry Cow - Western Culture
Knifeworld - The Unravelling
Pink Floyd - Animals
Amon Duul II - Yeti
Hatfield & The North - Rotters Club
Caravan - In The Land Of Grey & Pink
National Health - Of Queues & Cures
Radiohead - OK Computer
Roy Harper - Stormcock
Pikapika Teart - Moonberry
Cardiacs - Sing To God
Thinking Plague - Decline & Fall
Guapo - 5 Suns
PoiL - Brossaklitt
Cheer-Accident - Fear Draws Misfortune
Zamla Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor
CAN - Future Days
Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Von Vite
VDGG - Pawn Hearts
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Of Natural History
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
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^ I notice Genesis have crept in. Is that because you’ve just rated it?
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My personal ranking, 07/14/2019

Rating 9,75/10
1) Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
2) Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt
3) The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage - Peter Hammill

Rating 9,5/10
4) Starsailor - Tim Buckley
5) In The Court Of... - King Crimson
6) Chameleon In The Shadow Of The Night - Peter Hammill
7) The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other - Van Der Graaf Generator

Rating 9,25/10
8) Red - King Crimson
9) Music In A Doll's House - Family
10) Animals - Pink Floyd
11) Roxy Music - Roxy Music
12) Comus - First Utterance
13) Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
14) Lorca - Tim Buckley
15) H to He Who Am The Only One - Van Der Graaf Generator
16) Arbeit Macht Frei - Area 
17) Spirit Of Eden - Talk Talk
18) Tori Amos - Under The Pink

Rating 9/10
19) Islands - King Crimson
20) Fearless - Family
21) Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
22) Aqualung - Jetho Tull
23) Quatermass - Quatermass
24) For Your Pleasure- Roxy Music
25) Trespass - Genesis
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25. Luiz Gonzaga - A história do nordeste
24. The Beatles - Rubber Soul
23. Yusuf Lateef - Yusef Lateef's Detroit: Latitude 42° 30' Longitude 83°
22. James Brown - Hot Pants
21. Estrella Morente - Mi cante y un poema
20. Electric Masada - At the Mountains of Madness
19. Caetano Veloso - Caetano Veloso (1968)
18. Bohren und der Club of Gore - Sunset Mission
17. Elza Soares - A mulher do fim do mundo
16. Girls Aloud - Chemistry
15. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece
14. Martinho da Vila - Canta canta minha gente
13. John Fahey - VI: Days Have Gone By
12. Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
11. Alceu Valença - Espelho cristalino
10. Madonna - Ray of Light
9. João Gilberto - Chega de saudade
8. Fugazi - The Argument
7. Aaliyah - Aaliyah
6. Juçara Marçal e Kiko Dinucci - Padê
5. Chico Buarque - Construção
4. The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo
3. Beyoncé - Lemonade
2. Miles Davis - On the Corner
1. Jorge Ben - A Tábua de Esmeralda

United States of America: 11
Brazil: 9
England: 2
Ireland: 1
Spain: 1
Germany: 1

1950s: 2
1960s: 6
1970s: 6
1980s: Nope
1990s: 1
2000s: 8
2010s: 2


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^ Interesting - you seem to have gone for the more musical music whereas I think it was Eno’s electronic noise on those Roxy Music albums that influenced me at an early age. And I love Tomorrow Never Knows and Family’s “Voyage”.

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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Sorry but I'm way too lazy for this kind of stuff nowadays.

In fact, there's only two things in life that really interest me:

1. Titties
2. and Beer.

.... and those are two new bands? You didn't introduce them!

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