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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Double album
Cover by Roger Dean
Lots of synths
Enigmatic lyrics
Huge diversity of tempos & moods
Melodic yet complex
Divides opinions among afficionados & connoisseurs
Symphonic to the core
One of the best singers + One of the best guitarist + One of the best bassist + One of the best keyboardist + One of the best drummer

What else can you desire, Mr Bungle ?

you do realize that you described, perfectly, that the truly enlightened and wizened consider THE quintessential prog album

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=83286

I disagree with pickles and ice cream!

So a band without keyboards (let's say Guru Guru) can't be progressive.

A band without a drummer (several folks bands!) can not be progressive!

A band without a bass guitar ... can't be progressive! All those folks musicians are playing sheep dip'age!

A band without a singer can not be progressive! That means we have to listen to inane lyrics and stupid ideas, that are not anywhere near literary quality and have no weight or value in them whatsoever. Try Stairway to Nowhere for a bit!

This, should be about the whole thing, the whole piece of music, not that it has to have all 4 or 5 of those things.

I'm really tired of this "racist" comment about "progressive" music, and how it can not be this or that without having the right color (always funny and weird), the long hair (no curls or braids or _____), or some other idiotic comments that have nothing to do with the composition of the work itself.

So, it can't be a "symphony" without 12 violins, 4 bassoons, 3 piccolos, 2 cellos, 2 flutes, 2 of those large drum things that never get played, several chairs of course, a few women in the orchestra ... women in progressive music ... oh, my gawd, those folks at PA will poo their pants! And a conductor at the front, since RW is too busy playing another synth instead! Maybe the ghost of Mr. Lord will come buy to conduct the thing, but he prefers to play!

The whole definition has become such a joke that it has gotten sick, not musically intelligent at all, and on top of it you get a goon saying that some instruments make "progressive music" ... and it's like saying that the folks behind it are just a bunch of mannequins showing off the new fashions.
 
C'mon folks ... get better and smarter than that! You've been at this a long time and still stick to the same silly definition that is not about music at all ... it's about a couple of bands ONLY!
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Wigwam Fairyport for me. Not just prog, it includes everything I need from the music!
 

I LOVE Fairyport!!!! But they are asking for the quintessential 'Prog' (got it right this time!) lp not 'Progressive' lp (ok ok lets not start up that old chestnut again I hear you cry!)
Of course I know stereotypical prog sounds like Yes CttE or Genesis Selling England. But why would I tell that, everyone knows that? I think best prog sounds just like Wigwam in Fairyport.
 

Sorry I hope you didn't think I was being patronising, I certainly wasn't meaning to be.. I meant to put a winky face after but am not allowed it seems! Your reply is spot on and exactly what I meant (in a light hearted way). As Nogbad said 'its not in his top 30 but still has the all the hallmarks of THE Quintessential 'Prog' lp' and I think that's what the OP was looking for, not our personal favourites.



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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

 

Real Mellotron is a groaning, unpredictable mess that lends a great deal of drama to prog music.  Since the tapes were recordings of humans playing notes on real instruments, one can hear bow inflections, breath and other subtle sounds that give the 'tron a very organic, human sound vs. the synths used by guys like Geoff Downes (ugh!).  

 
Great description of the mellotron sound Charles, but you should add that they are always slightly out of tune due to the tapes stretching and the drives always running a touch too slow.
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • Drenched with Mellotrons 
  • Soaring lead guitar parts, preferably played on a Gibson guitar (ES 335, Les Paul etc.) 
  • Racing bass guitar parts, preferably on a Rickenbacker 4001 with round-wound strings and plectrum
  • Sublime vocal harmonies 
  • Tight, exquisite drumming. 
Close To The Edge meets all of these criteria for me.  Few bands have mastered that formula, particularly the vocal harmonization.  
 

I agree with the above entirely; certainly Yes and most likely 'Close to the edge' is the most quintessential 'Prig' lp. 
 

Man, some typos are just.. well weird, ironic, a bit spooky... you see my inner self just didn't really believe what I was trying to say.. and as is often said, the truth will out!

I had to look up the meaning of "prig," it is a rather hilarious mistake!  Well done!!Clap
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Wigwam Fairyport for me. Not just prog, it includes everything I need from the music!
 

I LOVE Fairyport!!!! But they are asking for the quintessential 'Prog' (got it right this time!) lp not 'Progressive' lp (ok ok lets not start up that old chestnut again I hear you cry!)
Of course I know stereotypical prog sounds like Yes CttE or Genesis Selling England. But why would I tell that, everyone knows that? I think best prog sounds just like Wigwam in Fairyport.
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Pawn Hearts - overblown and wonderful
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probably "Fairy Tales" by Mother Gong


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There's no one definitive prog album for me, and I'm happy about that.

Edited by Boojieboy - September 17 2018 at 16:54
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Double album
Cover by Roger Dean
Lots of synths
Enigmatic lyrics
Huge diversity of tempos & moods
Melodic yet complex
Divides opinions among afficionados & connoisseurs
Symphonic to the core
One of the best singers + One of the best guitarist + One of the best bassist + One of the best keyboardist + One of the best drummer

What else can you desire, Mr Bungle ?


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CTTE for me, though it hardly makes my top 30.
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I'm with the majority on this one. Close to The Edge checks all the boxes.

SEBTP, TLLDOB and TAAB wold also be good selections. 
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Wigwam Fairyport for me. Not just prog, it includes everything I need from the music!
 

I LOVE Fairyport!!!! But they are asking for the quintessential 'Prog' (got it right this time!) lp not 'Progressive' lp (ok ok lets not start up that old chestnut again I hear you cry!)

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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • Drenched with Mellotrons 
  • Soaring lead guitar parts, preferably played on a Gibson guitar (ES 335, Les Paul etc.) 
  • Racing bass guitar parts, preferably on a Rickenbacker 4001 with round-wound strings and plectrum
  • Sublime vocal harmonies 
  • Tight, exquisite drumming. 
Close To The Edge meets all of these criteria for me.  Few bands have mastered that formula, particularly the vocal harmonization.  
 

I agree with the above entirely; certainly Yes and most likely 'Close to the edge' is the most quintessential 'Prig' lp. 
 

Man, some typos are just.. well weird, ironic, a bit spooky... you see my inner self just didn't really believe what I was trying to say.. and as is often said, the truth will out!

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Wigwam Fairyport for me. Not just prog, it includes everything I need from the music!
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LOL  But that is Yes.   If I didn't know better I'd say he was joking.

LOL Well, SOME Yes! 

Tony Kaye didn't use Mellotron, it was Rick who brought that sound to the band.  Moraz didn't seem to use Mellotron as much as Wakeman, inventing his own version (using laser discs instead of magnetic tapes). It was called the "Orchestron."  

Real Mellotron is a groaning, unpredictable mess that lends a great deal of drama to prog music.  Since the tapes were recordings of humans playing notes on real instruments, one can hear bow inflections, breath and other subtle sounds that give the 'tron a very organic, human sound vs. the synths used by guys like Geoff Downes (ugh!).  

Also, Bruf brought a real jazz-swing to the drumming of CTTE, it remains one of his best works.  The entire band was "on" for that recording, and Eddie Offord did a fine job of bringing it all together. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Double album
Cover by Roger Dean
Lots of synths
Enigmatic lyrics
Huge diversity of tempos & moods
Melodic yet complex
Divides opinions among afficionados & connoisseurs
Symphonic to the core
One of the best singers + One of the best guitarist + One of the best bassist + One of the best keyboardist + One of the best drummer

What else can you desire, Mr Bungle ?

you do realize that you described, perfectly, that the truly enlightened and wizened consider THE quintessential prog album

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=83286

Yep. Can't wait for the rest of the world to catch up to the brilliance of that album. 3.90 average rating. (spit icon)

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Close to the Edge for me too.
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LOL  But that is Yes.   If I didn't know better I'd say he was joking.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • Drenched with Mellotrons 
  • Soaring lead guitar parts, preferably played on a Gibson guitar (ES 335, Les Paul etc.) 
  • Racing bass guitar parts, preferably on a Rickenbacker 4001 with round-wound strings and plectrum
  • Sublime vocal harmonies 
  • Tight, exquisite drumming. 
Close To The Edge meets all of these criteria for me.  Few bands have mastered that formula, particularly the vocal harmonization.  
 

I agree with the above entirely; certainly Yes and most likely 'Close to the edge' is the most quintessential 'Prig' lp. 

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  • Drenched with Mellotrons 
  • Soaring lead guitar parts, preferably played on a Gibson guitar (ES 335, Les Paul etc.) 
  • Racing bass guitar parts, preferably on a Rickenbacker 4001 with round-wound strings and plectrum
  • Sublime vocal harmonies 
  • Tight, exquisite drumming. 
Close To The Edge meets all of these criteria for me.  Few bands have mastered that formula, particularly the vocal harmonization.  
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