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Davesax1965 
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 Posted: January 29 2018 at 06:34 |
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Steve, if you want to tell people how to use the internet, please buy your own version of it.
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SteveG
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Posted: January 29 2018 at 05:44 |
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Thread bashing is not valid criticism. Not in your world or this one. Babble on if you must, as I said, I'll see you in the next "Pepper is Prog?" thread.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: January 29 2018 at 05:35 |
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"We've derailed this thread long enough"
Speak for yourself, Steve.
Some threads need derailing. For example, the ones posted by a hip hop producer about "how to make fresh beats". By your logic, anyone can come on here, put up any irrelevant or inane thread and we all have to nicely reply to the OP, not going off topic or anything.
"Valid criticism".
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SteveG
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Posted: January 29 2018 at 03:58 |
 Davesax1965 wrote:
In a moderate and balanced reply.
Is Sergeant Pepper Prog ? - it's subjective.
I don't think it matters if it is or not.
I think asking the question is merely a waste of time.
I find the OP to be one put up more or less for the sake of putting a post up.There's a lot of this on here.
I wish there were less, for the sake of quality of the board.
I also think that if someone thinks that on any forum, all threads MUST refer to an OP, that person should perhaps realise that they don't make the rules, and perhaps cogitate on that before calling people trolls or issuing a tantrum ultimatum.
The point of "this is a junk thread" is a valid one. |
We've derailed this thread long enough. We can reconvene in the next "Is Pepper's prog thread?", which be posted in the next few weeks if past practice is anything to go by, where you can once again deride the OP's question. I will once again take offence that a 12-14 year that has just discovered prog after ditching the crud of Bruno Mars and 21 Pilots has his thread topic trashed. Hopefully by that time, Greg (Dark Elf) will develop some wit and make his mock lyrics actually funny. As talented blues guitarist are not known for brilliant lyrics, I won't hold my breath. But then again, why should they?
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 20:44 |
Is Dr Pepper cola? 
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:53 |
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the Sergeant was prog before there was prog, but it ain't no more.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 17:48 |
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Sgt Pepper is as much prog, as Kind Of Blue is death metal
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 10:17 |
In a moderate and balanced reply. Is Sergeant Pepper Prog ? - it's subjective. I don't think it matters if it is or not. I think asking the question is merely a waste of time. I find the OP to be one put up more or less for the sake of putting a post up. There's a lot of this on here.
I wish there were less, for the sake of quality of the board.
I also think that if someone thinks that on any forum, all threads MUST refer to an OP, that person should perhaps realise that they don't make the rules, and perhaps cogitate on that before calling people trolls or issuing a tantrum ultimatum.
The point of "this is a junk thread" is a valid one.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 10:11 |
SteveG wrote:
Peter wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
Well, I suppose I'm half right, as Dr Wu says. ;-)
Yes, the board is here to discuss prog rock, but I just find myself looking at some of these "is this prog" posts and being reminded of "Solve if u r genius" posts on Facebook et al. Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh, but some posts seem to be put up just for the sake of putting a post up.
Is Sergeant Pepper prog ? Well. I'm really not bothered, but it was a groundbreaking and stunningly good album, in it's day. I give it a spin every now and again and enjoy it. I'm not really worried if it's prog, progressive pop, psychedelia or whatever, to be honest. Music is art, people interpret art in different ways. One man's prog is another man's psychedelic pop.
I compose music, and I hardly ever think "I know, I'll sit down and write dark ambient" or whatever. It's just a label. I dislike labels, I tend to think labels are invented by record companies to shift product. I suppose I'm in the Frank Zappa camp there. If you want to musically dissect Sergeant Peppers and apply music theory to it to determine what it is or isn't, fine, but to do that with any credence you have to be a musician with vast experience of the genre. It's the usual Internet thing of someone having an opinion and voicing it without the background technical knowledge to back it up.
And it's art. You shouldn't define art by the means of science.
So, sorry, posts like this just irritate me. You've probably noticed: I am ancient and decrepit and curmudgeonly. That's my $0.02, but probably voiced in a more constructive manner than the post above, for which apologies. |
 THIS man I like! (Buys him a beer, clinks glasses) Cheers! |
More question bashing instead of answering the OP's question, which is all that required of any respondent to do when replying to this thread. Rest assured Peter that the moment that you post one of your inane questions or topics in PA, along with the other trolls in this thread, I will you treat you the same in my responses to your posts. I would tell you to just grow up, but that I know when I'm wasting my time with someone as selfish and juvenile as you. I hope that you're impressed with yourself, because you've had absolutely the opposite effect on me. |
Steve. The question requires bashing *because it is an inane question*.
Think about it, please. That's the point I am, believe it or not, trying to make. You may like a forum full of "solve if u r genius" inane threads put up for the sake of merely putting a thread up. I've tried very hard to give a constructive and polite answer but you seem to be coming back with an attitude which suggests your haemorrhoids have had a Vesuvian scale flare up.
(See "I will treat you with the same responses" above.)
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 08:02 |
 definitely trying my friend... trying. Balance and moderation. Hah. Foreign concepts to me but having to learn them. Better late than never I suppose. Thanks David and damn good to see you brother. Hope all has been well with you. 
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 17:00 |
micky wrote:
Here? Just dealing with some health issues that came from nowhere and bit me on the ass.... living too hard a life and perhaps the years of abuse catching up to me.... my doctor thinks they are stress related. Personally I think he is full of sh*t.. but as part of my stress management regimin... I sort of nearly completely withdrew from the internet. Started humming mantras and reading the Ramayana, trying to eat better, drink less, and clearing my head of all the crap going on the world haha. |
Good to see you Michael. There is that fine line between fun, relaxing, cathartic net chatting and stressful, circular nonsense. Nice to see you finding a balance.
Edited by Atavachron - January 27 2018 at 17:00
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YESESIS
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 15:25 |
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I have to stick up for Peter here. On my texting thread(which turned into a total joke lol), he was nice to me. So I think there might be a misunderstanding here but I truly don't believe he's doing any question bashing at all. He's just not that kind of guy.
Edited by YESESIS - January 30 2018 at 15:33
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dr wu23
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 15:21 |
^Heh Mick...good to see you back....I for one missed your repartee.
:)
ps: So...does anyone really care if Pepper is prog or not...? ;)
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micky
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 11:51 |
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ah man.... you can't leave Peter...the party just got started!!!
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Peter
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 11:35 |
SteveG wrote:
Peter wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
Well, I suppose I'm half right, as Dr Wu says. ;-)
Yes, the board is here to discuss prog rock, but I just find myself looking at some of these "is this prog" posts and being reminded of "Solve if u r genius" posts on Facebook et al. Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh, but some posts seem to be put up just for the sake of putting a post up.
Is Sergeant Pepper prog ? Well. I'm really not bothered, but it was a groundbreaking and stunningly good album, in it's day. I give it a spin every now and again and enjoy it. I'm not really worried if it's prog, progressive pop, psychedelia or whatever, to be honest. Music is art, people interpret art in different ways. One man's prog is another man's psychedelic pop.
I compose music, and I hardly ever think "I know, I'll sit down and write dark ambient" or whatever. It's just a label. I dislike labels, I tend to think labels are invented by record companies to shift product. I suppose I'm in the Frank Zappa camp there. If you want to musically dissect Sergeant Peppers and apply music theory to it to determine what it is or isn't, fine, but to do that with any credence you have to be a musician with vast experience of the genre. It's the usual Internet thing of someone having an opinion and voicing it without the background technical knowledge to back it up.
And it's art. You shouldn't define art by the means of science.
So, sorry, posts like this just irritate me. You've probably noticed: I am ancient and decrepit and curmudgeonly. That's my $0.02, but probably voiced in a more constructive manner than the post above, for which apologies. |
 THIS man I like! (Buys him a beer, clinks glasses) Cheers! |
More question bashing instead of answering the OP's question, which is all that required of any respondent to do when replying to this thread. Rest assured Peter that the moment that you post one of your inane questions or topics in PA, along with the other trolls in this thread, I will you treat you the same in my responses to your posts. I would tell you to just grow up, but that I know when I'm wasting my time with someone as selfish and juvenile as you. I hope that you're impressed with yourself, because you've had absolutely the opposite effect on me. |
See , I thought I did answer it by saying is doesn't matter--the notion of Prog is subjective. I don't recall calling anyone any names, yet I am labelled juvenile, selfish and a troll. A stranger seems to hate me. That actually bothers me. I don't need this stress. People misunderstand and take responses so seriously, when all I intended to do is push an alternate view of how one views art. Anyway, I don't hate or even dislike anyone here (I don't know anyone here). Clearly, I am not cut out for forums. I am out of here. Goodbye.
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micky
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 11:13 |
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first dibs on being the Art!!!!!
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 11:09 |
Micky and Steve....
They're like the Simon & Garfunkel of ProgArchive bitches:
In the clearing stands curmudgeons by the name Stevie and Mick, And they carry the reminder Of every post they grudge on -- man, the sh*t is thick....
Edited by The Dark Elf - January 27 2018 at 17:01
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micky
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 11:05 |
you're too sweet Steve.
Here? Just dealing with some health issues that came from nowhere and bit me on the ass.... living too hard a life and perhaps the years of abuse catching up to me.... my doctor thinks they are stress related. Personally I think he is full of sh*t.. but as part of my stress management regimin... I sort of nearly completely withdrew from the internet. Started humming mantras and reading the Ramayana, trying to eat better, drink less, and clearing my head of all the crap going on the world haha.
Anyhow.. Raff was on this morning so I decided to pop in and see how everyone's doing and see if the site still had some life in it. Thanks to you and Peter for showing the fire is still there haha
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SteveG
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 10:57 |
^ Yes I do and the feeling has always been mutual. Anyway, where the hell have you been? You've been missed by many, not just by me!
Especially when we need election stats from Trump v Hillary. Seriously.
Edited by SteveG - January 27 2018 at 10:59
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micky
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 10:51 |
SteveG wrote:
^ And you should know better with a thread topic posted from a newbe micky. Instead of pointing out to the newbe OP that his tread topic is as old as the hills, has been debated numerous times and lacks a conclusion, you throw more gas on the fire. I'd welcome you back under a different circumstance, but I'm quite tired of this lack of common respect I've seen so far. As I've said, I'm not impressed.
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oh pish posh....
you know I love you man....
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