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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 15:31
Am I the only one to think that Donald "Duck" Trump and Boris "BoJo The Clown" could be idiot twin brothers???
Physically, they both look like retarded blond idiots...
And as soon as they open their garbage trap, they go out and prove they are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 08:50
Thumbs Up pfff... it is the internet... we make things up as go. Words included...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 08:48

Thanks micky. It's a bit strange but I'm getting re-acclimated. If such a word exists! Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 08:47
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


  a person is judged by the company he keeps, or in this case, supports.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 08:44
good to see you back Steve...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 08:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


 

 

 

You don't get to cherry-pick the good bits and ignore the bad bits because the bad bits won't magically go away and you cannot water them down with platitudes and excuses to make them more palatable. 


Point well taken. I never said that Trump himself was not a bigot and a hate monger, and I believe that members that view this site are intelligent enough to know that a person is judged by the company he keeps, or in this case, supports.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 06:05
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I wouldn't do that to Republican voters either, who through no fault of their own now find themselves supporting a candidate that not only has overtly racist supporters, he has actively campaigned to incite and promote racial tension and fear. 





I'll do that for both of us.  Trump is doing nothing that 20+ years of Republican leaders have not done themselves.  His crime is stripping away politco double speak and nicities.  That is what scares the Republican establishment... it isn't he doesn't beleive the same things... he makes it hard for even the ignorant and ambliivlant (ie most Republican voters) to ignore the fact their party, their leaders stand for division, fear, and discrimation.

The elephant in the room of American Politics is that The Republican Party is a ideologically bankrupt party.. whose only recourse to stay relevant.. stay in power... is to appeal to peoples fear.

Communists, Gays, Transgender, Hispanics, and now Muslims...

Taking a page from Trump.  Speaking without nicities. Those who support bigots and racists.. are in themselves such.  America is changing.... either you embrace it as part of what the flag beaters always say makes this country so great.. or you actively fight (through legislation) against those elements changing and harken back to what made American 'great' in the eyes of Republicans... when white Christians made the rules and immigration from other countries was outlawed... and blacks.. which we could not deport or shift out of the country once this country freed them..  well just lynch them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 05:39
Didn't want to chime in here but the problem is something I've alluded to in the EU thread and on FB:

Quote Yes, it's crass to make sweeping generalisations but you don't get to cherry-pick either.

Unfortunately the cost of standing next to people who want the same outcome as you but for different reasons is being counted alongside them. Sometimes that is too steep a price to pay..

... Leave voters cannot ignore that some of those who promoted the vote to leave played the racial angle, and with that some of those who voted leave did it for that reason alone. While other's undoubtedly voted leave over the current immigration and refugee situation, which in itself isn't motivated by racial difference, without being able to read people's minds no one actually knows the motivation and thinking behind their views. "I'm not a racist but..." isn't a get out of jail free card.

While I admit to pulling my punches there because I had no desire to offend the person I was replying to, (who objected to a perceived view that those who supported the "Leave" vote were racists or idiots), the point being made is if you stand with racists and idiots then you cannot complain if you too are perceived to be a racist and an idiot... 

Now, I would never call a Leave supporter a racist or an idiot, and I wouldn't do that to Republican voters either, who through no fault of their own now find themselves supporting a candidate that not only has overtly racist supporters, he has actively campaigned to incite and promote racial tension and fear. 

You don't get to cherry-pick the good bits and ignore the bad bits because the bad bits won't magically go away and you cannot water them down with platitudes and excuses to make them more palatable. 


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Well, I can’t (or will not) comment on the UK’s decision to leave the EU, as I’ve always been a guest of the British government, who graciously let me visit and at times work in the UK.

As an American, I can comment on the Trump supporters. I also feel that most are not the closet KKK that they are betrayed to be. Although, a few could be.

Where I think the problem arises with Trump supporters is the notion that Trump can magically recall  numerous jobs and industries back to the US from “overseas”, which is generally China. This is a pure pipe dream. The infrastructure to support those jobs, as well as the factories and necessary tooling is long gone and will never return. Unfortunately, China remains some unknown entity to Americans. For God’s sake, why? The US borrows money from China and imports practically every household item from that country.

 

Perhaps it’s time that Americans realize that all the cheap imports that they enjoyed years ago are coming back to haunt them. The ghosts of jobs and factories that Mr. Trump can never conger up for them, as if pulling a rabbit from a hat.

It's this type of mass delusion that frightens me.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 08:32
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't know about the level of racial hatred and ignorance of Brexit voters, I'm sure there are other issues there that caused the result. It would be unfair to paint all of the Brexit voters with the same brush. I've even read doctored articles finding positives about Brexit. I suppose it was better to remain than to leave but even I, coming from a leftist perspective, can find things that may be better about not being bound to the elite bureaucracy of Brussels. 

Trump voters, on the other hand, and to use his infamous words, are ignorant, are racists, have vested interest in his triumph, and some, I assume, are good people. 


Many Brexiters are not racist at all, and I agree it's wrong to tar all with the same brush.

I know Trump supporters who also don't fit the stereotype liberals are peddling.

With regard to Brexit, the remain mob also get on my t!ts to be frank, with all their joyous adoration of Brussels and disdain for anyone who criticises the EU. I actually voted to remain - believe it or not - not because I necessarily want to part of the cult, but I simply don't trust the politicians on the right over here to run the show here in anyones favour but their own and their rich friends. For all the EU's faults they have passed some positive legislation regarding workers rights, which I'm not convinced our tory overlords won't try to repeal once we've left.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 07:47
I don't know about the level of racial hatred and ignorance of Brexit voters, I'm sure there are other issues there that caused the result. It would be unfair to paint all of the Brexit voters with the same brush. I've even read doctored articles finding positives about Brexit. I suppose it was better to remain than to leave but even I, coming from a leftist perspective, can find things that may be better about not being bound to the elite bureaucracy of Brussels. 

Trump voters, on the other hand, and to use his infamous words, are ignorant, are racists, have vested interest in his triumph, and some, I assume, are good people. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 05:56
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Our health service is run by vast numbers of immigrants because we can't train enough nurses and doctors here.
Seems like you have too many patients. How is importing more people going to help?


Every adult who lives beyond the age of 70, and every baby that is born is not 'helping' the situation, it's not just high levels of immigration. I would certainly agree that immigration needs to be managed intelligently, but it can't be presented as the sole reason for the stress on our public services. The government has the money to invest, but chooses not to for ideological reasons.

In any case we're leaving the EU, but I suspect that will have no bearing on immigration. Access to the singe market will probably be dependent on the free movement of labour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 05:46
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Our health service is run by vast numbers of immigrants because we can't train enough nurses and doctors here.
Seems like you have too many patients. How is importing more people going to help?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 05:36
Can't speak for American Trump supporters but something many Brexiters were unable to wrap their ale addled heads around was the fact that immigrants were taking jobs that the locals refused to do. Someone has to pick that fruit, and if such jobs are deemed to lowly for unemployed young British working class men, then someone else has to do it, so while they languish on welfare waiting for a non existant high paying golden job to come knocking on the door, these businesses have to source the labour from a willing job pool.

It's not just menial jobs though. Our health service is run by vast numbers of immigrants because we can't train enough nurses and doctors here. Without wishing to seem too disengenuous, it could be that such professions are deemed 'too hard' form many young Brits who would rather make their money in marketting, PR or fashion, or simply spend the day slurping lattes playing Pokemon on their numerous 'cool' devices.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 04:27
When Donald Trump publicly supported the UK's right to leave the EU, he implied similarities of the feelings of his US supporters with that of UK's Brexiters. I feel that the similarities  between the two are mostly superficial as there are vastly different political and economic systems between the United States and any member nation of the EU. But are there some true similarities to the UK leave voters such as "immigrants  are taking away our jobs"  and "we want our country back", etc., that seem to be both the mantra  and main issues of Trumps' supporters?   

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