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Star_Song_Age_Less 
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 Posted: June 14 2016 at 22:43 |
 kenethlevine wrote:
well put Jim He obviously had an agenda and he did represent a segment of the population. His statement that people have rejected my music does not comment on how much of a chance they gave it.
It reminds me of my college roommate whose LP collection said NOTHING about personal taste, as there was nothing in it that wasn't on the charts, and it was all over the map. He asked me why he should have to delve into obscure stuff when the radio hand picks the best stuff for him. Seriously.
But we have to be careful not to institute a prog version of the hit charts. It should be ok not to like the BIG artists of prog like Floyd, Yes, etc, without being considered daft. Music, like all art, is very personal, and sometimes a lesser artist speaks to one personally more than a better known one. |
 This! I had a kid living across the hall from me in college who said and did essentially the exact same thing. Drove me mad. Agreed that more listening is done in the industry than by casual listeners, but industry people don't have time to give due diligence to every artist either - they're picking and choosing what to give a shot to, as well. I think it's harder to sell prog as a genre because by definition it's so free of rules (nothing concrete to sell people on - no shared image). Hmm maybe we should start calling prog the music of freedom.
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Rednight
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 15:46 |
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My wife and sons hate it and find plenty of time and cause to remind me of that. Not a lot of associates but for one friend who loves it and turns me on to something substantial now and then.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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twalsh
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 15:42 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,Over the years I have had a few boners, but in general, no one has ever really sat down and talked music with me.
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Yep.  For a while, this was so rare for me that it was THAT exciting. Thankfully, my long term g/f likes some prog and has gone to some concerts with me. However, she is liking loud music less and less, so I need some more concert mates. She's a fan of Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel and most of the classic prog bands and associated crossover acts. Ask her about being stuck viewing a man's exposed crack for the entirety of a Dream Theater show!
I went for dinner at a colleagues a month ago. She HATES most of the music i listen to and does not understand the appeal of dissonance whatsoever. Her husband and I had a grand old time however talking about various prog/psych/crossover artists we enjoyed. We've both renewed out interest in music the last couple years. We were having so much fun that my colleague felt left out!
Another friend recently discovered Porcupine Tree, but his tastes only overlap mine a little. We did see King Crimson together last year, which was very cool.
Another friend describes me as having 'obscure' music taste. As intelligent as she is, she's only into pop and musicals.
My poor father seems to have little interest in music these days, but was the one to introduce me to Pink Floyd, Supertramp, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Jeff Wayne, The Moody Blues and Alan Parsons, among others.
This year, i expect I will have to attend some shows alone to really see what I enjoy.
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More heavy prog, please!
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 08:59 |
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My brother doesn't like prog. To him, Pink Floyd ceased to be a good band when Syd Barrett left. When I told him about my band, he said "But aren't you 40 years behind time?" His wife once spoke of "strainful music" when I listened to a prog piece. On the other hand, my grandmother once said "Beautiful music" while I was listening to Misplaced Childhood. My parents don't care much about rock music. My friends are mostly either into prog or have no opinion on it.
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Syd fans I know how he feels, despite liking post-Syd stuff myself.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 08:55 |
kenethlevine wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
kenethlevine wrote:
I just have one story to recount, probably from the early 1990s.A friend who had clearly rehearsed this and planned for just the right moment to say it, said the following, and I paraphrase as best as I can remember.
"You think that the music you like is unknown to people, and they would like it if only they heard it, but they have heard it, and they have rejected it".
It was shared with the intention of stinging, and it did. He was basically right. I think it was a turning point for me. Since then I have slowly but surely cared less and less about whether people like my music or not, but am really happy and appreciative when I have guests and I get some compliments on the mix I am playing (which is probably 70% prog) |
Not sure I agree that he was right. I think most people have not "heard it" because I think most people just aren't paying attention to music the way we aficionados do. They listen casually to music they come into contact with and they latch onto things they like and they stay in popular comfort zones. I dont believe most people delve into more complex artforms and seriously explore everything, then reject it. Same with film. I don't think most people spend much time exploring deep cinema and then reject it, I think most simply absorb what's easy and don't spend the hours and years it takes to really watch all of the underground stuff enough to form serious opinion on it.
That said, your reaction to it was right on. Listen to what you love and don't be concerned what others think about it.
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well put Jim He obviously had an agenda and he did represent a segment of the population. His statement that people have rejected my music does not comment on how much of a chance they gave it.
--wonder if he was talking more about the industry. certainly record people would have been listening to a lot of stuff and rejecting stuff, more than the average Joe on the street.
It reminds me of my college roommate whose LP collection said NOTHING about personal taste, as there was nothing in it that wasn't on the charts, and it was all over the map. He asked me why he should have to delve into obscure stuff when the radio hand picks the best stuff for him. Seriously.
But we have to be careful not to institute a prog version of the hit charts. It should be ok not to like the BIG artists of prog like Floyd, Yes, etc, without being considered daft. Music, like all art, is very personal, and sometimes a lesser artist speaks to one personally more than a better known one.
--Right on. I spend most of my prog time with lesser known artists and have been very fulfilled with the approach.
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WeepingElf
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 08:35 |
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My brother doesn't like prog. To him, Pink Floyd ceased to be a good band when Syd Barrett left. When I told him about my band, he said "But aren't you 40 years behind time?" His wife once spoke of "strainful music" when I listened to a prog piece. On the other hand, my grandmother once said "Beautiful music" while I was listening to Misplaced Childhood. My parents don't care much about rock music. My friends are mostly either into prog or have no opinion on it.
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"What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes."
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kenethlevine
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 08:26 |
Finnforest wrote:
kenethlevine wrote:
I just have one story to recount, probably from the early 1990s.A friend who had clearly rehearsed this and planned for just the right moment to say it, said the following, and I paraphrase as best as I can remember.
"You think that the music you like is unknown to people, and they would like it if only they heard it, but they have heard it, and they have rejected it".
It was shared with the intention of stinging, and it did. He was basically right. I think it was a turning point for me. Since then I have slowly but surely cared less and less about whether people like my music or not, but am really happy and appreciative when I have guests and I get some compliments on the mix I am playing (which is probably 70% prog) |
Not sure I agree that he was right. I think most people have not "heard it" because I think most people just aren't paying attention to music the way we aficionados do. They listen casually to music they come into contact with and they latch onto things they like and they stay in popular comfort zones. I dont believe most people delve into more complex artforms and seriously explore everything, then reject it. Same with film. I don't think most people spend much time exploring deep cinema and then reject it, I think most simply absorb what's easy and don't spend the hours and years it takes to really watch all of the underground stuff enough to form serious opinion on it.
That said, your reaction to it was right on. Listen to what you love and don't be concerned what others think about it.
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well put Jim He obviously had an agenda and he did represent a segment of the population. His statement that people have rejected my music does not comment on how much of a chance they gave it.
It reminds me of my college roommate whose LP collection said NOTHING about personal taste, as there was nothing in it that wasn't on the charts, and it was all over the map. He asked me why he should have to delve into obscure stuff when the radio hand picks the best stuff for him. Seriously.
But we have to be careful not to institute a prog version of the hit charts. It should be ok not to like the BIG artists of prog like Floyd, Yes, etc, without being considered daft. Music, like all art, is very personal, and sometimes a lesser artist speaks to one personally more than a better known one.
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Star_Song_Age_Less
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 20:00 |
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^I tend to find that you could say that about lots of people about just about any genre of music, perhaps especially if they are a fan of someone in that genre. I've heard people fight over Brittany Spears Vs. Christina Aguilera, for example (quite a few years ago at this point). To my ear these two are essentially interchangeable, but to a Brittany fan or Christina fan, to equate them is sacrilege.
I'd say I'm the same way about prog.
That's very different from rejecting an entire genre!
A little off topic, but I've also heard people mindlessly repeat "opinions" on certain artists like verbal lemmings. Sometime in the last five years (really don't clearly remember when anymore), I was at a family friend's house and Lady Gaga happened to show up on the TV in the background. It was like a fricking bug-zapper. Suddenly nearly everyone in the house stopped what they were doing, keyed in to the TV, and someone said with an undue amount of vehemence, "She's not even relevant anymore!" Before the sentence was even over I heard the words, "not relevant" repeated all over the place. I was too shocked to say anything. But it instilled in me the very strong impression that people's opinions about music have very little to do with their understanding or appreciation of the music itself.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 17:44 |
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What it comes down to is this: no matter how much my friends like Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, or The Wall, they still don't like prog. Most music listeners seem to consume music based on that which is issued, usually by favored artists but not always, rather than staunch allegiance to a genre or style. Generally people like some but not most prog in the same way they like some but not most jazz or dance or reggae.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 17:37 |
Outside of death metal prog, RIO, and Math Rock my wife will listen up to 3 hours in a row of progressive music she likes.
Most my high school friends from the 70's enjoy classic prog like Yes, Floyd, Tull, and many others. The New stuff? Not interested.
With the exception of an occasional Dream Theater, Primus, or Tool fan, everybody else could care less.
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Blinkyjoh
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 15:47 |
sadly no one i know really listens to prog. maybe one person. sometimes i feel i'm the only one buying it from amazon.ca.
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TeleStrat
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 15:38 |
I don't know anyone who thinks about prog at all. None of my family listens to or even knows what prog is. The same goes for the very few acquaintances that I interact with. Before I retired no one in my office knew what prog was. If you asked them if they liked prog they wouldn't even know that you were talking about music. Most of my neighbors listen to loud traditional Mexican music except for one older white guy across the street. When he's sitting on the porch or hanging out in the garage he listens to 70s classic rock.
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Pastmaster
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 15:21 |
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My parents like some prog, one of my friends (who is actually also on this site) is a big prog fan, and I have a couple other friends who enjoy some prog.
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andreol263
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 15:16 |
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^This!
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 15:12 |
kenethlevine wrote:
I just have one story to recount, probably from the early 1990s.A friend who had clearly rehearsed this and planned for just the right moment to say it, said the following, and I paraphrase as best as I can remember.
"You think that the music you like is unknown to people, and they would like it if only they heard it, but they have heard it, and they have rejected it".
It was shared with the intention of stinging, and it did. He was basically right. I think it was a turning point for me. Since then I have slowly but surely cared less and less about whether people like my music or not, but am really happy and appreciative when I have guests and I get some compliments on the mix I am playing (which is probably 70% prog) |
Not sure I agree that he was right. I think most people have not "heard it" because I think most people just aren't paying attention to music the way we aficionados do. They listen casually to music they come into contact with and they latch onto things they like and they stay in popular comfort zones. I dont believe most people delve into more complex artforms and seriously explore everything, then reject it. Same with film. I don't think most people spend much time exploring deep cinema and then reject it, I think most simply absorb what's easy and don't spend the hours and years it takes to really watch all of the underground stuff enough to form serious opinion on it. That said, your reaction to it was right on. Listen to what you love and don't be concerned what others think about it.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 11:35 |
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I know a few 'rock' fans who like some prog. Accessable stuff like Rush, but generally most people I know either hate it or ignore it.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 11:19 |
kenethlevine wrote:
I just have one story to recount, probably from the early 1990s.A friend who had clearly rehearsed this and planned for just the right moment to say it, said the following, and I paraphrase as best as I can remember.
"You think that the music you like is unknown to people, and they would like it if only they heard it, but they have heard it, and they have rejected it".
It was shared with the intention of stinging, and it did. He was basically right. I think it was a turning point for me. Since then I have slowly but surely cared less and less about whether people like my music or not, but am really happy and appreciative when I have guests and I get some compliments on the mix I am playing (which is probably 70% prog) |
Well said, Ken. My epiphany happened when I either read or heard somebody describe Beatles as pretentious. I was like, ok so why I am wasting my time anyway. If opinions about music are THAT diverse, surely it's pointless to bother about who does or who doesn't like prog.
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 11:12 |
I figure that getting to know me is challenging enough without throwing prog into the mix. Most of the people I know are not really into music anyway. This is Kentucky, after all.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 11:07 |
I just have one story to recount, probably from the early 1990s. A friend who had clearly rehearsed this and planned for just the right moment to say it, said the following, and I paraphrase as best as I can remember.
"You think that the music you like is unknown to people, and they would like it if only they heard it, but they have heard it, and they have rejected it".
It was shared with the intention of stinging, and it did. He was basically right. I think it was a turning point for me. Since then I have slowly but surely cared less and less about whether people like my music or not, but am really happy and appreciative when I have guests and I get some compliments on the mix I am playing (which is probably 70% prog)
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Posted: June 13 2016 at 07:56 |
Growing up in the 70s and 80s, my mom couldn't understand my fascination with prog. She was particularly put off by Rush's recurring use of the "man against star" symbol, ignoring its Orwellian implications and asking: "Why'd they have to put a naked man on the cover?"
My wife finds most prog intolerable noise. Standout exceptions include select tracks from Peter Gabriel's solo albums and Marillion's pop-inflected "Marbles," especially "Neverland."
My oldest son (and recent college grad) appreciates a substantial number of prog acts. I started him out on classic Rush and Marillion and he's since explored the genre intermittently. My youngest son, however, listens almost exclusively to rap and R&B. Thankfully, he tends toward the most progressive-sounding acts in the genre like Flying Lotus, Run the Jewels and Kendrick Lamar.
I generally don't try to introduce new acquaintances to prog unless they seem the musically adventurous type.
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