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twalsh 
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 Posted: August 12 2015 at 13:44 |
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A concept album with heavy metal songs about a drug controlled kid named Nicky that does things against his will. It's a good story if you can follow it, but does creating a concept around metal songs make this album prog? And the group progressive metal?
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One of my 10 desert island albums but I don't see how QR is progressive, even this wonderful album. One long song and some interludes in a concept album. But the songs are mostly standard structures, verse/chorus stuff, and while the musicianship is excellent I don't think its a technical mindblower. If this is prog why isn't King Diamond?
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I think that it is a timing thing. When Queensryche came on the scene metal bands didn't stray from playing straight up metal and keyboards were a no-no. I'd say that Promised Land is probably a proggier album. That doesn't answer to the King Diamond question though.
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The interludes (Electric Requiem, My Empty Room) add an interesting atmosphere and could be considered atypical song structures. It has a story. It has chanting and some interesting sound effects. Suite Sister Mary is probably the only other structurally progressive song but I think it makes the cut by a hair. Of course, i am biased, since this is likely the first recording to make me go, "Where can I find more adventurous metal?"
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More heavy prog, please!
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 13:40 |
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 13:39 |
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Özzÿ = Prog
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 13:19 |
^And Ozzy had a back up singer sing live behind a curtain so he couldn't be seen. I'm not sure if that makes him prog though.
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 13:04 |
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Black Sabbath and solo Dio were using keys in the early 80's. Though they did keep the keyboardist off stage for the longest time.
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:43 |
Ancient_Mariner wrote:
SteveG wrote:
A concept album with heavy metal songs about a drug controlled kid named Nicky that does things against his will. It's a good story if you can follow it, but does creating a concept around metal songs make this album prog? And the group progressive metal?
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One of my 10 desert island albums but I don't see how QR is progressive, even this wonderful album. One long song and some interludes in a concept album. But the songs are mostly standard structures, verse/chorus stuff, and while the musicianship is excellent I don't think its a technical mindblower. If this is prog why isn't King Diamond?
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I think that it is a timing thing. When Queensryche came on the scene metal bands didn't stray from playing straight up metal and keyboards were a no-no. I'd say that Promised Land is probably a proggier album. That doesn't answer to the King Diamond question though.
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:38 |
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^I feel bad by not saying that it's a favorite of mine also, but it does cause me to scratch my head.
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:36 |
SteveG wrote:
A concept album with heavy metal songs about a drug controlled kid named Nicky that does things against his will. It's a good story if you can follow it, but does creating a concept around metal songs make this album prog? And the group progressive metal?
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One of my 10 desert island albums but I don't see how QR is progressive, even this wonderful album. One long song and some interludes in a concept album. But the songs are mostly standard structures, verse/chorus stuff, and while the musicianship is excellent I don't think its a technical mindblower. If this is prog why isn't King Diamond?
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:29 |
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Two types come to mind: 1) Anything that is minimalist or ambient. 2) Artists that are just guitar, bass, and drums. No keyboards or synths included; no winds or brass instruments either.
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Touche.  I was referring to some of the more modern metal bands with one or two albums under their belts, but yes, I suppose that Rush would fall under this category to a certain extent.
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:24 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Two types come to mind: 1) Anything that is minimalist or ambient. 2) Artists that are just guitar, bass, and drums. No keyboards or synths included; no winds or brass instruments either.
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you mean like Rush for much of the time?
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:10 |
A concept album with heavy metal songs about a drug controlled kid named Nicky that does things against his will. It's a good story if you can follow it, but does creating a concept around metal songs make this album prog? And the group progressive metal?
How is this Prog?
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 11:13 |
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Enough of the chicken s**t answers. How is BOC prog?
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They aren't prog......and I've been listening to them from day one . But as one of the esteemed members here said recently...they are 'prog related'...whatever that means. Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 18:36 |
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It isn't the world at all-- it's the internet
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Oh yeah.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:43 |
Ok, why are the Moody Blues listed as crossover with Swilson? They don't have a doo hickey over their OO's. They did have very prog album covers though.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:40 |
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It isn't the world at all-- it's the internet
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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SteveG
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:38 |
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^In a perfect world perhaps, but this is not a perfect world David.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:36 |
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The thing is, one either trusts the people around you to make an educated and carefully considered decision, or one does not. That trust must be there or things don't work.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:36 |
But the two dots over the O was a nice prog touch, agree?
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:33 |
SteveG wrote:
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BOC were included because of their music, not because of the Moorcock connection to Hawkwind. As I have all of their albums, I believe I am in a position to judge. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that "Don't Fear the Reaper" is prog-related - but songs such as "7 Screamin' Dizbuster", "The Subhuman", "Monsters" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" certainly are.
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I have all their albums too Raff, and I even have a personal relationship with one of their former producers, but they are a stretch to me as far as being prog related. But as Rushfan pointed out, I can understand that you had your fill of this topic in the past and I can respect that.
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Yes, I did, and then some. Things got ugly, with personal insults thrown around - something that fortunately doesn't happen any longer. Personally, I believe that additions one disagrees with should be ignored, but then I seem to be in a minority.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:30 |
Raff wrote:
BOC were included because of their music, not because of the Moorcock connection to Hawkwind. As I have all of their albums, I believe I am in a position to judge. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that "Don't Fear the Reaper" is prog-related - but songs such as "7 Screamin' Dizbuster", "The Subhuman", "Monsters" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" certainly are.
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I have all their albums too Raff, and I even have a personal relationship with one of their former producers, but they are a stretch to me as far as being prog related. But as Rushfan pointed out, I can understand that you had your fill of this topic in the past and I can respect that.
Edited by SteveG - August 11 2015 at 17:31
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