Punk: A Logical Extension of Prog?

*sigh*

YOU posted the picture, not me.

SteveG wrote: ^Are you really that impressed by a photograph? And what did my post have to do with how they looked?   Jesus. Give it up already, you're still wrong.

YOU posted the picture, YOU wrote the caption. What ever was the point of YOU posting the picture if it wasn't to illustrate the caption?


Why are you still here? If you're going then go, if you're staying then stay.

SteveG wrote: Television punk? How daft! They only paved the way for the Punk   Dean wrote: *sigh*   .

For those that weren't born in and then resided in NYC and were familiar with the local music scenes, Television were quite a different band with Richard Hell as a member in their earlier incarnation. Quite different actually from what became their defining sound with Marquee Moon. But as the old saying goes, you had to be there.

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Atavachron wrote: Forget about whether it "killed prog", which it didn't, it did digress or at least regress rock to a point of astounding if roughly-cut clarity.   There are a few rare instances of prog/art rockers dabbling in and eventually turning to punk, such as the Goldring twins (Gnidrolog) going on to become the Pork Dukes, and styles of progressive rock that clearly draw from punk, like mathrock.   But was Punk rock a continuation of the development of rock as a from of music that apparently has few boundaries other than that it retain some semblance of a rock format?   Or was it just a crude rebellion that struck a chord in a lot of people?

I believe Punk was a continuation of the basic elements existing within Rock music , but not developed through selective instrumentation or creative playing. Creative arty Punk did in fact exist, but it was shortened by the dominance of the song structure. A good example would be Hawkwind ...who have , in the past, recorded true Punk Rock songs. The influences on Punk were totally obvious. Surfin' Bird by The Trashmen is very Sex Pistols. Too Many Tear Drops by Question Mark and the Mysterians, MC5, early Alice Cooper...is all influential to Punk Rock, but sometimes people have a difficult time digesting the realization that Punk bands were influenced at all. Syd Barrett was a major influence ,but additionally influenced by Surf music and SciFi themes...like the Punks. It was very anti-hippie culture to promote an idea that wasn't cool in 1968. Something that was mocked and thought to be laughable by the hippies. Example....when The Sha-Na-Na played Woodstock and there were moans, booing, and less applauding. Regarding the influence of early 60's music existing in Punk, they obviously wanted to duplicate it's foundation through a more angry attitude.

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^Congratulations, you can continue to alter facts as fits PA demographics or for your own personal agendas.

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Dean wrote: SteveG wrote: If there's one thing I've learned, it's this:   There is no accounting for taste in either music or lyrics.  Before I leave this retirement home of senile delinquents: 1. Brian was referring to the thread title, not the your comment that his post just happened to follow. Not everything is about you. 2. It has fu*k all to do with taste - I cannot abide The Police and their white-boy calypso-reggae, I dislike Sting, his lyrics and his nasally voice. De do do do de da da da is the worst of all that I dislike about them. 3. Now... "Poets, priests and politicians Have words to thank for their positions Words that scream for your submission And no-one's jamming their transmission And when their eloquence escapes you Their logic ties you up and rapes you." ...is not a great lyric by any means, but the subject matter seems pretty serious to me and certainly no less banal that singing about an unprovable afterlife. 4. According to lead singer Sting, the song is about the attraction that people have to simple songs. Sting later criticized those who labelled the lyrics of the song as "baby talk," claiming that the song was grossly misunderstood." He evaluated, "The lyrics are about banality, about the abuse of words," saying that "the lyrics have an internal logic." "I was trying to make an intellectual point about how the simple can be so powerful. Why are our favourite songs 'Da Doo Ron Ron' and 'Do Wah Diddy Diddy'? In the song, I tried to address that issue. But everyone said, 'This is bullsh*t, child's play.' No one listened to the lyrics. Listen to the lyrics. I'm going to remake it again and put more emphasis on what I was talking about."

1) Your endless obsession with Sting's idiotically titled song was another way for you avoid the true subject matter, which was simply that a majority of New Wave songs are lyrically inconsequential. Focusing on De do do do  cannot alter that perception, except, sadly, perhaps only to you.

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SteveG wrote: If there's one thing I've learned, it's this:   There is no accounting for taste in either music or lyrics.

If there's one thing I've learned, it's this:

Edited by SteveG - March 11 2015 at 19:17