British Proto-Prog

Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: found another so-called proto song, certainly not helping me in liking what I still cannot tell what it is, except thinking so far all songs the notes are sharp, lack warmth, lacking bass guitar tunes etc, all very blunt and not nice clear in my opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKroSJti39I   That style was called Freakbeat, a genre what I mentioned earlier in this thread. By the way, Rick Davies is great as always....   And slightly off the topic - Kati, do you think that The Steve Miller Band would be in Prog Archives' Proto Prog section - as per PA' definition of *proto-prog*, of course -  due to their first two albums from 1968? Aww my sweet Sventonio, this time I think I am the last person here to answer your question. I am clueless here still as to proto actually stands for I however I do think Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) certainly has prog elements i.e. sitar and B3 organ, plus the moozik has a groovy sexy vibe  Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdB9lTUyshM hugs   Oh Kati, please forget just for a moment that awesome Fly Like An Eagle  the crossover prog song and that proggy album and especially this amazing prog song which is my fav from Fly Like An Eagle  and pleeease take a time to listening to The Steve Miller Band's Song For Our Ancestors  from Sailor.   You'll enjoy in the song, I'm sure, and also you'll hear how Pink Floyd was ripped off from The Steve Miller Band's album from 1968 ... Well, okay, it was just in favor of making Shine On You Crazy Diamond  more nice, isn't?

Kati wrote: Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: found another so-called proto song, certainly not helping me in liking what I still cannot tell what it is, except thinking so far all songs the notes are sharp, lack warmth, lacking bass guitar tunes etc, all very blunt and not nice clear in my opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKroSJti39I   That style was called Freakbeat, a genre what I mentioned earlier in this thread. By the way, Rick Davies is great as always....   And slightly off the topic - Kati, do you think that The Steve Miller Band would be in Prog Archives' Proto Prog section - as per PA' definition of *proto-prog*, of course -  due to their first two albums from 1968? Aww my sweet Sventonio, this time I think I am the last person here to answer your question. I am clueless here still as to proto actually stands for I however I do think Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) certainly has prog elements i.e. sitar and B3 organ, plus the moozik has a groovy sexy vibe  Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdB9lTUyshM hugs

Oh Kati, please forget just for a moment that awesome Fly Like An Eagle  the crossover prog song and that proggy album and especially this amazing prog song which is my fav from Fly Like An Eagle  and pleeease take a time to listening to The Steve Miller Band's Song For Our Ancestors  from Sailor. You'll enjoy in the song, I'm sure, and also you'll hear how Pink Floyd was ripped off from The Steve Miller Band's album from 1968 ... Well, okay, it was just in favor of making Shine On You Crazy Diamond  more nice, isn't?

Edited by Svetonio - March 26 2015 at 03:45

Kati wrote: hoh I like them! This I really like! They in my mind weirdly sound like Paul McCartney on vocals and King Crimson somehow

Dean wrote: Kati wrote: Nirvana is an American band, thus how can we classify them as British Proto prog? They are not prog tho' nor punk, they were quite good and they were classified as Grunge I think.   Wrong Nirvana.

Dean wrote: Kati wrote: SteveG wrote:  Svetonio, you have to follow the protocols and post Steve Miller in the Psych Lounge first. After approximately 50 years it will be considered for inclusion in the proto-prog category.   SteveG, Now you just confused me more hahahaha ...  I was told by Dean that proto was before prog, the music term was invented (this finally started to make sense to me) thus prior to prog, bands can be proto thereafter none can be considered that  hugs xxxx Steve is being sarcastic.

Kati wrote: Nirvana is an American band, thus how can we classify them as British Proto prog? They are not prog tho' nor punk, they were quite good and they were classified as Grunge I think.

The Dark Elf wrote: Svetonio wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: Svetonio wrote: You did not understand me. I'm not saying that Armageddon not generally belong to 70s hard rock as same as e.g. Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath or BOC and that the internet sites who say so are wrong; they aren't wrong, especially not wrong in the time of multiplied tags. I just want to point out that 1) the style of that single album by Armageddon is not of a kind of hard rock which was generally played in 1975 and that the sound of the album is nicely suited to what the records dealers at that time named "proto-prog" to firm that dinstictive sound of late 60s / early 70s at their selling lists ( they did not created a new genre nor they wanted to do anything like that)  2) I mentioned Armageddon's album as an evidence that the "proto-prog" sound was still exist until mid 70s even in UK.   See, that's the difference between us. I understood what you were saying. I just don't accept it. Neither do I accept the tag "proto-prog" that a few record resellers decided to scribble with black magic marker on their flea market bins. That was not a defining moment or the end-all, be-all for the definition of proto-prog.   (...) Of course that those ancient records dealers' lists aren't (un)Holly Bible, but PA definition of Proto Prog with The Who on that "proto" list also is not (un)Holly Bible nor the writer of PA Proto-Prog definition is (un)infallible Pope, lol.   The point I was making, Moses, is that nothing is set in stone. I used the words "redefine" and "reassess" because that is what has been done and what continues to happen as part of the historical record.   Nothing is infallible, as you inferred, yet you still hold on to some archaic (and really silly) definition like Yahweh himself slapped you upside the head with the commandment:   THOU SHALT NOT PUT OTHER DEFINTIONS OF PROTO-PROG BEFORE THEE!   But as a reasonable music listener and as a musician, I find the PA definition of "proto-prog" far more reasonable than the short-sighted and fundamentally inaccurate definition by some 70s flea-market resellers. As a person degreed in English and history, linguistically the prefix "proto" is supported far more reasonably and in historical context by PA than your flea-market resellers.   As a reasonable person, I cannot hold to a definition that is no longer valid or does not make sense to me, particularly when a far more reasonable and sensible definition is available.

Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: found another so-called proto song, certainly not helping me in liking what I still cannot tell what it is, except thinking so far all songs the notes are sharp, lack warmth, lacking bass guitar tunes etc, all very blunt and not nice clear in my opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKroSJti39I   That style was called Freakbeat, a genre what I mentioned earlier in this thread. By the way, Rick Davies is great as always....   And slightly off the topic - Kati, do you think that The Steve Miller Band would be in Prog Archives' Proto Prog section - as per PA' definition of *proto-prog*, of course -  due to their first two albums from 1968?

Gotta love Sweetonio for stirring up things in PA. Always in opposition, never on the winning team.

THE WHO