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Poll Question: What is the best way of classifying Einstuerzede Neubauten?
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Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

hehe. Einsturzende are a topic of much debate in industrial/rivethead circles. Believe me I've been there. 'A bunch of crazy Germans banging on things? That's not industrial!' I have heard many a time. They might sound industrial, but you could argue that Coheed And Cambria sound emo. Doesn't make them not progressive.

I'm not saying they're typical prog rock, but they have very progressive moment. They have a lot of Neu-esque pensive moments, and their songs are really thoughtful.

Yes, it does - for some people. That's why Coheed And Cambria were removed from the archives - some styles like Emo, Punk and Industrial don't lend themselves to prog very much. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is unlikely.
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Great. but my German is limited I'm afraid.
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This text describes their history well, and is consistent with what I remember about them. They started as an experimental Punk/Industrial band.

Die Einstürzenden Neubauten sind eine deutsche experimentelle Band der 80er und 90er Jahre. Die Berliner Band wurde 1980 gegründet von Blixa Bargeld, eigentlich Christian Emmerich, Andrew Unruh, eigentlich Andrew Chudy, Gudrun Gut und Beate Bartel (letztere gründeten kurze Zeit später Malaria). Die Besetzung fluktuierte anfangs und konsolidierte sich 1981 personell um Bargeld, Unruh, sowie die von der Hamburger Band Abwärts hinzugekommenen FM Einheit, eigentlich Frank Martin Strauss und Marc Chung sowie dem "Wunderkind" des Berliner Undergrounds, Alexander Hacke.

Die Gruppe entfernte sich nach ersten Erfolgen ab Mitte der 80er Jahre zunehmend aus der Punk- bzw. Industrialbewegung und arbeitete mehr und mehr an Theaterprojekten z.B. mit Peter Zadek 1986 im Hamburger Schauspielhaus, 1990 für die "Hamletmaschine" des Dramatikers Heiner Müller und 1994 für den "Faust" von Werner Schwab.

Seit dem Album "Tabula Rasa" kann man die Band wohl nicht mehr in die Industrial-Schublade stecken. Die Musik ist wesentlich ruhiger geworden und auch als Durchschnitts-Hörer kann man sie sich, entgegen der früheren Alben, anhören.

 

 
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hehe. Einsturzende are a topic of much debate in industrial/rivethead circles. Believe me I've been there. 'A bunch of crazy Germans banging on things? That's not industrial!' I have heard many a time. They might sound industrial, but you could argue that Coheed And Cambria sound emo. Doesn't make them not progressive.

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Points: 1859 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2005 at 19:42
Well, don't you remember the pillow fight between the guys from Yes and ELP, including some homosexual scenes during the "breaks"? Well, this is a very punk attitude. So, I asume Yes and ELP are punk bands... 
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What's age got to do with it? I remember first hearing about the band more than fifteen years ago, and they played a sort of experimental industrial music (as opposed to ordinary industrial bands like Die Krupps).
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I'm sorry but, a group of 5, German, university-educated men in their 40s, playing music on a bunch of home-made instruments; IS NEITHER PUNK NOR INDUSTRIAL!
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They have a punk attitude, but play industrial music.
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Well said Fantomas! I don't know why people think they're punk - they've probably listened to the lame sample track on their homepage and nothing else. They are experimental, yes they are industrial, but they are also experimental.
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They aren't punk, you punk! 
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they are industrial punks, nothing to do with prog
dont put'em on this site
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Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

I always did. But aren't Yes always referred to as the public as a rock band? Countless times I have seen 'Rock keyboardist Rick Wakeman'. Just because they are a different genre doesn't mean they aren't prog. Prog metal, prog rock, prog house, prog electronic, even prog death. this is just prog industrial.

I agree with your way of thinking, but it's not the way of this website. It boils down to a simple rule: If something is innovative, that doesn't mean that it's "prog".

Innovation is just one of many criteria ... see how prog is defined on this website:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp

BTW: While I think that there's something like "prog house", I'm sure most of the people in this forum would disagree. Prog started with rock, and most fans are reluctant to accept that Prog exists in other genres, too.

 
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I always did. But aren't Yes always referred to as the public as a rock band? Countless times I have seen 'Rock keyboardist Rick Wakeman'. Just because they are a different genre doesn't mean they aren't prog. Prog metal, prog rock, prog house, prog electronic, even prog death. this is just prog industrial.
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I refer them as an industrial band.
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Wtf?
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A classic band. However, Einstürzende Neubauten is an industrial and experimental band. They are as prog as Ministry.
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Points: 533 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 14:52
They are pioneers of Industrial music but i spouse they could fit in well at the archives
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Points: 382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 14:04
They also have some very minimalist moments, a lot like the krautrock style.
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Points: 382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 14:03
You listened to 'good morning, everybody' sample, right? Trust me, that's nothing to go by. Their earlier albums are amazing, very experimental and prog a lot of the time. A lot of 10min+ songs too.
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 14:01

Aren't they Punk?

I listened to their sample on their website:

http://www.neubauten.org/

It's an interesting idea to label them Krautrock. You can PM philippe or BaldJean/BaldFriede for their opinion, they're really knowledgeable on obscure and experimental music, Krautrock in particular.

 
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