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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 21:42
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

People seem to see what they want and/or expect to see. (That's not to say that people don't sometimes see things that they cannot immediately explain)


That is pretty much 100% right.
There's a reason that certain people always get abducted, and the more intense people are into the UFO culture they see and experience more crazy things.

Also most abductions are fuzzy and dream like and "details" emerge later after being coaxed. Not that it isn't sincere what they think they recall. Also that some universal traits tend to be very similar to stories and movies...and how different regions of the world  have seen different types of aliens that happened to be based off the types of sci fi they had. etc etc etc

Basically, it's dark, we're tired, we have tons of sub conscious ideas floating around our heads, and the more you want to believe you will. As well as other possible ideas like the DMT theory.

I will say though, IF they have found a way to beat the speed of light limit, have shape shifting physical machines and all this crazy stuff....we gotta pray they are friendly!! LOL With technology like that, if they wanna kill us we have no slight hope of stopping em.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 21:30
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

My position is probably of the skeptic. I absolutely believe there is life on other planets. Far too many galaxies, stars and therefore, planets for us to be alone in the universe. However, unless Einstein was completely wrong or things like warp drive are possible, the distances seem far too great for us to be experiencing visitations from other planets. Further, I really doubt we have much to offer a species that does have such capabilities, so why would they bother coming here if they were advanced enough to travel interstellar distances? Strictly for comedic value?

Finally, ever notice that these aliens never actually visit leading scientists, world leaders or artists? No, they always visit some hick out in a cornfield. 

^ I pretty much agree with Herr Doktor. Thumbs Up

The distances that would need to be traversed are MUCH too vast, and if aliens are visiting here, their supposed behavior up to now has been nonsensical.

I am inclined to look for the answers in human psychology -- that, and good old lying/lust for fame. (Always try is ascertain if any money is being made by those with a story to sell.)

Only the ultra-religious get "possessed," only the religious folk of the middle ages saw angels in the sky. (Old testament prophets seeing talking burning bushes and hearing "god" talk to them would be quickly identified as schizophrenic today.)

These days, in a technological age, people "see" extraterrestrial machines and their pilots in the sky. People seem to see what they want and/or expect to see. (That's not to say that people don't sometimes see things that they cannot immediately explain)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 21:24
I've been looking into it for many years, started when I was about nine back when "UFO research" was mainly a few bad books with fuzzy pictures and dubious stories.   The one legit and intelligent book was The Interrupted Journey which chronicles the Hills' story as drawn-out by their psychologist.   Finally in the late 80s Whitley Strieber began publishing his recollections.   Strieber is a brilliant writer and was able to relay the experience in thoughtful and vivid terms.   I'm not too keen on much of the other mainstream work by Bud Hopkins and others, it seems to have an agenda attached.

As far as what I believe about sentient aliens having visited Earth, I don't believe anything, which is to say it is a mystery.   As far as "U.F.O.s" go, that is a different matter; there is no doubt someone, probably on Earth, is experimenting with all number of airborne craft.   You wouldn't have so many credible witnesses claiming sightings and the amount of credible (non-hoaxed) video evidence.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 21:22
I experienced a daytime sighting of what looked like a spacecraft around 23 years ago. It had a conical top and a tire tube like bottom, and was gold in color. It moved horizontally and with no sound. It moved behind a cloud, and that was it. (i had to leave and go visit someone, so left it at that)
        Now, what i saw could have been a real craft from another world, or it could have been a practical joke concocted to fool me. I am inclined to think the latter.
        I feel it is possible that aliens have visited us in the past, or will in the future, but i don't know for certain, so i sit on the fence about this.
          Interesting that just last nite, i saw the Fire In The Sky movie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 21:22
I've always been interested but more of a sci fi hobby for fun, I don't actually believe in it.

As Doc said I'm quite sure there's some type of life in the universe (though who knows what level of advancement) but yeah...unless they found a way to break the speed of light rule I don't think they've been here.
UFOs are always something else, and always at night when we can't see quite right, ya know?

Was once rudely awoken by this white light filling my room and some crazy ass looking thing out the window!
After 2 seconds of adjusting it was a helicopter....circling around town and at that moment just had its search light pointed in my room. If ya were from a distance though it'd be freaky as hell because it was some hovering thing that moved strangely and took off quickly.

There was one time I saw a strange sight but I'm 100% sure it was a military aircraft (esp since its direction was heading towards the AFB) but at 4 am, when its dark and you're not fully conscious these things are scary!


Abduction stories fascinated me more when I was young but again, there's always very logical explanations.
Getting older sucks : (


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 20:48
My position is probably of the skeptic.  I absolutely believe there is life on other planets.  Far too many galaxies, stars and therefore, planets for us to be alone in the universe.  However, unless Einstein was completely wrong or things like warp drive are possible, the distances seem far too great for us to be experiencing visitations from other planets.  Further, I really doubt we have much to offer a species that does have such capabilities, so why would they bother coming here if they were advanced enough to travel interstellar distances?  Strictly for comedic value? 

Finally, ever notice that these aliens never actually visit leading scientists, world leaders or artists?  No, they always visit some hick out in a cornfield. 

That said, I won't rule it out 100%, and I do find UFO stories fascinating and will also admit that some of them do leave a lot to be explained.  And mere psychological or meteorological explanations don't really work. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2013 at 20:40
I've been interested in the UFO Phenomenon for over 30 years and while posting in the 'what have you read lately ' thread I noticed another member mentioned the ufo phenom so I  thought I would start a thread about the enigma.
The phenom covers several aspects including but not limited to the following: day and night sightings of ufos, close encounters with ufos as well as 'aliens', and the so-called abduction phenomenon. These have been classified as CE (close encounters) 1,2,3, and 4. There are also paranormal events often associated with the enigma which makes it even more interesting in some cases that are usually called 'high strangeness' cases.
Many books have been written over the last 50 years covering all of the various better known cases, events,  and theories which include the ETH-extraterrestrial hypothesis, the  EDH-extradimensional hypothesis, and the PSH-the psychosocial hypothesis. There are of course many books  on famous cases like the Roswell event, the Rendlesham-Bentwaters events,  the Walton abduction and the Hill abduction. There are also several good articles at Wiki and at various online web sites for those who want more background.
I suspect  that those who wish to get into this probably have a working knowledge of the subject already but if anyone wants me to point them to some books or web sites just give me a heads up.
 
I think the best place to start is for those who want to disucss this to say right up front what their position or belief is about the phenom. For me I'll say that the UFO phenom for me is a legitimate phenom that has been experienced worldwide for a very long time . I believe, as does Dr J Vallee who's ideas I tend to agree with, that the phenom has been with mankind for millenia in one form or another . Whatever is behind what we call the UFO enigma is not new and only a modern phenom but something that has been appearing to humans for thousands of years .
Some think it's space aliens/ET-the ETH, some think it's a paranormal/occult issue or interdimensional beings-the EDH, while others think it's merely a figment of human imagination, folklore, mythology, and psychological problems-the PSH.
 
What do you think?
 
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