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Proletariat 
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
 Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:47 |
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that is unless of course, P0mpt3, you have some new evidence i have not yet seen
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:45 |
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evolution can (and i think will be) proven. I just dont feel you are the one to decide.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:43 |
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Creationism = Lol.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:43 |
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Idea -> Hypothesis -> Theory -> Law
Idea - a guess at how something may work
Hypothesis - educated guess at how something may work based on observation
Theory - result of testing Hypothesis against all known observation and an explanation of those observations.
Law - a generalised set of observations that things happen and a prediction that things will happen, without explanation as to why.
ID is an Idea, not an Hypothesis - it is not based upon observation
Evolution is a Theory, not a Law - it explains all observations
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What?
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:41 |
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theory: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena. Most theories that are accepted by scientists have been repeatedly tested by experiments and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. (in a previous post I referred to the ambiguity of the word "theory") Evolution is a theory that is supported by solid evidence. Not just a single fossil or a number of fossils, but our own bodies and those of all other living things provide all the evidence any intelligent person should need to see why evolution is not just speculation or conjecture. Edited by Mr ProgFreak - November 28 2009 at 14:45 |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:38 |
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Read Dean's last post, my friend. Creationism isn't a theory; it's a story out of a book. If you honestly think science can't be proven, you are an idiot. |
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:36 |
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Natural selection isn't the only mechanism of evolution. I think everything now evolved from a common ancestor.
Not all of our scientific theories will account for everything, so they probably won't be entirely the true way things work. They may objectively need tweaking. But that doesn't mean they're wrong. They're mostly right, because they account for most things we know about. We have no good reason to disregard them, especially in the case of neutered ideas, like creationism.
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:32 |
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i think you are confusing apathy with acceptance of the fact that neither you or i are informed enough or intelligent enough to be able to comprehend somthing this complex. rather than throwing one book agains another and one theory against another without comprehensive understanding of either i choose to live (and listen to awsome music)
i certainly understand the joy associated with these debates. I just recognize that the pleasure of winning will not be awarded to any debater who chooses a topic that can not unquestionably be proven one way or the other
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JLocke
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:20 |
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lol, I should have just done that. Instead I went on a huge tirade, lol. Anyway, yes. This link is your friend, Alex. |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:19 |
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Alex - there is a world of difference between a Scientific Theory and a general theory, please do not confuse the two.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:17 |
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Well, I already addressed the difference between opinion and scientific theory, Alex. And I hope you aren't saying us sciance lovers are 'pompous', because science can be proven. If you're gonna call evolutionists pompous, might as well go ahead and deny every scientific theory there is, including the earth being flat and the planets spinning around the sun. Science never claims to know all the snawers, anyway; it's just trying to explain as much as we can, and it is always open for re-evaluating and new discoveries. Creationists, on the other hand, claim to know it all right off the bat, and that nothing will chaneg their position, despite their position being disproven time and time again. Edited by p0mt3 - November 28 2009 at 14:19 |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:13 |
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That's in the ''sit on our ass and smoke pot'' thread. Go find it. Hurry, hurry. |
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:13 |
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I think all the theories (because let's face it, they are THEORIES as no-one actually KNOWS) are pretty much bullsh*t. Man isn't intelligent enough to work out the answers to these questions, and probably never will be. In fact, I find someone who thinks he knows the answers to be quite pompous, because let's face it: compared to the Earth and all its inhabitants (discovered and undiscovered), any number of people is pretty insignificant and small.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg |
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:11 |
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wheres the option for "who cares how stuff got here"
Edited by Proletariat - November 28 2009 at 14:12 |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:08 |
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Actually, there was only one of each, but alright, alright. I was just making sure we were on the same page, here.  |
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Dean
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:06 |
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Dean
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 14:03 |
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 and in my reply to indicate where I am coming from. 
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JLocke
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 13:59 |
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When have scientists EVER ruled out something without exploring it first? Give me one recorded account of this happening. The reason why Scientists have not tested creationism (or 'intelligent design') is because there is nothing there to test! Intelligent design is NOT scientific! Do you not understand that? How is a scientist supposed to even attempt to prove something that doesn't have any scientific basis whatsoever? They can't snatch the equation out of thin air! If one day 'intelligent design' ends up being discovered as a scientific theory, then of course scientists would study it further. But how are you supposed to prove something that has yet to be discovered through actual science? It's like asking them to find an equation for the Berenstein Bears, or something! Where is this equation supposed to come from? The ink in the pages? Edited by p0mt3 - November 28 2009 at 14:02 |
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zappaholic
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 13:55 |
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Remember, Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat Atheists use to keep God out of their brainwaves!
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 13:54 |
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I simply reject things that are disproved by this world we live in. |
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p0mt3 wrote:
You also seem to believe that angels and rising from the dead can somehow be proven by 'real' science, since apparently the science we have now doesn't use this 'real' since you speak of.