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Jim Garten 
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Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
 Posted: May 22 2009 at 09:47 |
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Pike: Mr Mainwaring.... Mainwaring: Don't even say it... Stupid boy! |
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el dingo
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 08:59 |
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Should really save this for another thread, but if you just use the centre section you can eat it bone-in. And, man, if you slowly poach it with chilli, garlic... I'll post it on ProgChefs Unite later after all
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Dean
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 08:49 |
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^ I've eaten Pike - unlike most freshwater fish, it's not too muddy tasting, quite decent once it's deboned. Oh, I know how to catch a heron, it's simple enough - just need a live eel and some string.
If I had a large cat the heron wouldn't have been a problem.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 08:22 |
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Oh sh*t but I'm not surprised. Here cometh the Heron gospel, according to St Dingo.
First off they're virtually parasitic bast*rds. The hotel kitchen I worked in last year backed onto the the River Bure and one particular bird - they're real loners and their territories run for miles - used to eat the scraps that fell from the bins out the back. Then it would flap over to the terrace area and allow the stupid tourists to feed it with discarded meal remains, anything. One of the waitresses used to nick rashers of bacon from the kitchen, make the blessed thing walk towards her and hand feed it with the rasher so her colleague could photograph her doing it and she'd then send the picture to her boyfriend.
Then the bloody thing would go to the opposite bank and wait for a tolerant fisherman to drop some maggots and gobble those up as well - orange dye and all.
However, a garden pond, with no covering net, is easiest of all for them. They are large birds and can just stand on the bottom and gobble everything they can find.
To catch your thief, IMO, is mission impossible. They actually nest low down on marshland if they can find it, or a wet field if they can't. Their courtship is akin to that you get in a brothel so you'd never find a pair.
They're not the Arthur Daley's of the avian species, they're the Nick Cottons. Round my way anyone with a pond lives in total and constant fear of one decimating the contents. Ironically, you are not allowed to shoot them legally, tho most people round here would, given the chance.
Stable door, horse bolted, but the only advice I could offer to prevent a repeat is to buy a tacky plastic one from a sh*tshop and plant it as close to the pond as you can. My pond-owning friend says this works, but don't blame me if it doesn't.
Finally I ain't got a clue what a cooked one might taste like, but having observed their diet and habits at first hand I'd guess: roughly the same as a Pike - which I have eaten, several times, but that's another story.
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 08:05 |
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Hope you've got a large cat
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Dean
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 07:59 |
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Does anyone know what heron tastes like?
I had 11 fish in my pond last night - I have none now.
 If I catch the b
 d I'm going to cook it and eat it (or feed it to the cats) |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 03:56 |
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Just sent to me:
Made I chortle... |
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Dean
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 02:31 |
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Absolutely
 Of course what we really need are professional politicians paid a wage commensurate with the position. No one in their right mind would put a bunch of amateurs in charge of a multinational company, yet we elect people with zero qualifications, no practical experience and no proven aptitude for the job to run a 2,000 billion pound "company".
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Neil
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 02:08 |
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Don't assume that private MPs wouldn't be/haven't been at it as well.
To be honest the majority of what I've seen of this expenses scandal is people doing exactly what most people would do; getting away with what the system allows you to. I know plenty of "honest hard working" people who "add ten miles" to their milage claims or who have no problem at all that their union has argued a whole shifts pay if they get called in for one hour when they are not rostered on shift. To me there is no difference to most of these MP scandals.
Those MPs who are criminally liable for deliberately fraudulent claims (mortgages after house has gone etc) should be ousted and prosecuted immediately. Then the system should be reformed so that the rules are rules rather than guidance and we should start again with a clean slate. It's not really fair to persue people who didn't break the rules, even if the rules do stink. The way to deal with those who have broken no rules but have had no restraint in milking the system is at the ballot box next time.
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 14:21 |
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There are so many things I could type here, but I must bear in mind 2 things:
1 - The auto-censor would reduce my post to a row of meaningless asterixes 2 - I am an admin Andy - I know what you typed & knowing you as I do, I know what you wanted to type; re the latter, I agree with every word 
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 13:21 |
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Change of rant...
Beyond vermin! Vile scum!! Now we have to pay for them to play pool and have three square meals a day, for the next..ooh, say 15 years years. I'd say they've come out of this considerably better off than their poor victim. Can anyone else spot whats wrong with that? Edited by Blacksword - May 20 2009 at 13:22 |
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el dingo
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 04:07 |
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Perfect example - I live basically on my own for four days a week and If I can't get four tasty meals with fresh stuff for around £10 I think I've failed. All fresh, generally cheap cuts of meat as you say, fresh veg and freshly cooked.
No processed cr*p in my diet - I'm not a health freak, it's just basic common sense to avoid that sort of sh*t, IMO
Okay we push the boat out a bit at weekends when I'm with the Mrs, but just 'cos I'm on my own it don't mean I have to suffer an endless diet of pot noodles and takeaways. I never even resorted to that when I was a student.
Even salads are inexpensive and are only as boring as you want them to be - and jeez , £3or £4 buys you a basic recipe book any idiot can follow.
As for fat asses in the kitchen I think it's never gonna happen in a lot of cases 'cos of sheer damn laziness. Okay I taught myself to cook when I was very young 'cos I was interested, but you're never too old to learn. It's not difficult to feed yourself sensibly - if I can work as a professional cook/chef then I'm bloody sure Mr or Mrs Arbuckle could make basic healthy meals for themselves.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 02:15 |
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This really is one of my pet hates - cooking with a degree of nutrition is ridiculously easy; an example: We're having some work done on the house & yesterday there were a bunch of friends helping out, so on Sunday I thought I'd make something for their lunch. In half an hour, I'd made a stew of beef, lamb, pork (all the cheapest cuts & all with the fat trimmed off), fresh veg, lentils & barley - that was a huge cauldron of the stuff which went down very well & there's still half of it left - nothing artificial, nothing processed, everything fresh & all for under £12.00. Fatties - get your asses into the kitchen 
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limeyrob
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 12:55 |
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Point taken but if Labour came to power less than 100 years ago if there is sufficient depth of feeling then anything can happen. Personally I don't think much will work cos we are stuffed. We have devastated so much of the Earth's equilibrium that pretty soon it will be unrecoverable and local bickering will be pointless. A global solution is the only answer - but those that have stuff will not be prepared to sacrifice anything.
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limeyrob
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 12:43 |
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Yes, you are quite right in having your rant - if you don't mind my rant about people ranting but not doing owt about it. I know it takes resources but if you feel strong enough about something we can still do something about it.
Personally I wouldn't become an MP in this society with too much selfishness and lack of personal responsibility around but I am happy to do my bit in support. I also think that in this day and age the luxury of being well paid for what we do is rapidly becoming history. We live our lives like tourists - expecting first world goods/services at third world prices - and get very uppity when jobs are moved to other countries where the labour force is a lot cheaper. Don't forget Britain used to be the biggest economy when workers were paid a pittance and had a low life expectancy. Also there are a lot more people in these countries. What's the world's population, 6 billion; how may in the UK - 65 million.
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Dean
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 12:38 |
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It really wouldn't matter how many of them there were - even if they were a "majority" they could not form a government so they would be worse than useless. The possibilities of corrupting these Independents by professional politicians and lobbyist would be endless and impossible to monitor or police. They would be so centred on getting their pet causes noticed they will be able to be bought and sold by the major parties like prawns (sorry pawns) while being fed with empty promises. Should it ever occur to them that as an unofficial party of independent MPs they actually could wield true power, the practicalities of organising a disparate bunch of newly elected non-politicians into a cohesive unit would be gargantuan task that if anyone could achieve it they would have to be so charismatic and persuasive they would effectively be a messiah figure of such impressive stature as to be positively terrifying.
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limeyrob
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 12:24 |
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Aye, but if there are enough of them, who knows? Who is going to vote for any of the main 3 at the next election?
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Dean
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 05:27 |
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el dingo
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 05:09 |
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Plus IMO 'large people' often claim they are unable to cook anything themselves with any degree of nutrition in it - but appear to have complete mastery of the microwave and are able to walk/waddle to the chip/kebab/chinese/indian.
Mind you I'm too lazy to cook some of the time and could walk to my local takeaway blindfold - but that could just be 'cos I'm just 150lb  Edited by el dingo - May 18 2009 at 05:15 |
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el dingo
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 04:55 |
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[QUOTE=limeyrob]If you don't like it become an MP and change it. Surely the chances of getting into Parliament as an independent is better now than it has ever been.[/QUOTE]
Re the bold part - yes you're absolutely right - I actually saw Martin Bell on TV this very morning saying just the same thing.
Only trouble is, you need the money for the deposit, a decent car to get around your prospective constituency plus the gift of the gab to put it into practice. And, perhaps, hide like the proverbial rhino. I don't really fancy remortgaging on the off-chance I might appeal more to the voters than the 'professionals' do!
Re the other comment - yeah, this was my first post on this thread and I thought you could let off steam. I must come across as a bit sore but I've been lucky enough to have decent jobs all my life and now I can't get Jack - and IMO it really does seem to be 'cos of my age (51).
For what it's worth I don't actually sign on - YET - but I had to pick up on Dean's comments about the average wage 'cos i think he's right.
Btw I worked as a chef on minimum wage + wtc until the owner went bust - now I can't even do that
That's the great thing about the UK ... you can do anything... in theory Edited by el dingo - May 18 2009 at 05:06 |
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