Are RUSH actually Prog? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

ExittheLemming wrote:

BaldFriede wrote:

Barbara Dennerlein, for example. Her album "Hot Stuff" is definitely a jazz-rock/fusion album, yet she was rejected from the archives.

Like I said previously, I'm talking exclusively about artists who have already been admitted to PA. Barbara Dennerlein has NOT been admitted to PA but if she were, her entire discography would be listed. I own several of her albums and enjoy them hugely but have to agree with the genre team decision(s) that she does not warrant inclusion on PA. Such a decision does not diminish or undermine her music in the slightest

Personally, I remain hopeful that we will admit the Uber talented Jason Donovan one day, owing to his exceptional proggy turn as that chap with the multi-coloured jacket, who also had the advantage of appearing in the world’s first concept album, namely The Six Books of Torah.

Regrettably, as you indicate, this would also lead to his stunning work with Kylie also being included, but she is nice to look at Wink

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Cristi wrote:

Un Amico wrote:

because to me they sound like HR musicians with a bigger bag of tricks, for the most part.

hard rock + a bigger bangs of tricks = heavy prog.

pop + a bigger bangs of tricks = crossover prog. ?

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BaldFriede wrote:

Barbara Dennerlein, for example. Her album "Hot Stuff" is definitely a jazz-rock/fusion album, yet she was rejected from the archives.

Like I said previously, I'm talking exclusively about artists who have already been admitted to PA. Barbara Dennerlein has NOT been admitted to PA but if she were, her entire discography would be listed. I own several of her albums and enjoy them hugely but have to agree with the genre team decision(s) that she does not warrant inclusion on PA. Such a decision does not diminish or undermine her music in the slightest

Edited by ExittheLemming - May 02 2021 at 08:59

You're misunderstanding Iain.

BaldFriede wrote:

ExittheLemming wrote:

It maybe shouldn't require repeating (but I'm going to anyway) that one of the quirky features of this site is that if an artist has released even just one fully fledged Progressive Rock album then the whole discography gets admitted.

This seems to be not always the case; there are apparently exceptions.

I'm talking exclusively about artists already admitted to PA. Can you provide example(s)?

What is HR?

Apart from Moving Waves, I've never really had any lasting affection for Rush. They always struck me as more admirable for their virtuosity and longevity than lovable. That said, and keeping on topic, their Prog credentials stand up to scrutiny with the 2112, Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres trilogy (at the very least) all being indispensable and undisputed 70's Heavy (Guitar) Prog Rock albums. Rush are maybe one of a select few 1st Gen Prog bands that were bigger than the original genre that spawned them e.g. like say, Genesis, Pink Floyd and Crimson who all managed to adapt and prosper after the new wave hit circa 1976 by changing to a more economic Pop/Rock style with greater focus on songwriting than the grandiose multi-part instrumental oriented suites of yore. It maybe shouldn't require repeating (but I'm going to anyway) that one of the quirky features of this site is that if an artist has released even just one fully fledged Progressive Rock album then the whole discography gets admitted. This gives rise to the contentious anomaly of how you rate a plain vanilla Pop/Rock album using criteria devised for a Progressive Rock one etc. It strikes me as self defeating to exclude what can be some true masterpieces of NON Prog music that can and should be enjoyed by the PA membership. Non Prog music from artists included on PA is a feature, not a bug. Enjoy it and embrace it.

twosteves wrote:

well Getty and the others have said that Rush worshipped Yes---and they would have loved to do something as complex and intense as Relayer. So they do go into their bag of tricks to make it all sound complicated at times.I like some of the songs on all their albums but don't think they have a perfect album. Mostly for me they are a rock band filled with catchy hooks---verses and choruses. Which can be nice if you want some energetic music. Doesn't matter to me if they are prog prog. They aren't. But lots of bands here aren't. I do agree that the drummer has always been overrated---fast yes---but not a lot of swing---sort of cold.

Exactly. His drumming feels planned ahead. "This is where I put in my roll over all the toms", and he does. He doesn't seem to go with the flow as a drummer in my opinion should. Technically he is excellent though; no doubt about this.

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BaldFriede wrote:

Prog or not - I don't care. In Germany they were marketed as a hard rock band. They are one of the bands that leave me completely cold, and I have no idea why some people are so excited about them. But that's fine with me. Other people dislike Magma or VdGG, which are two of my favourite bands, but I can at least understand why. With Rush it is a mystery to me why people like them. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

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. Such shrill indifference LOL

Prog or not - I don't care. In Germany they were marketed as a hard rock band. They are one of the bands that leave me completely cold, and I have no idea why some people are so excited about them. But that's fine with me. Other people dislike Magma or VdGG, which are two of my favourite bands, but I can at least understand why. With Rush it is a mystery to me why people like them. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

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