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Frenetic Zetetic 
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 Posted: December 13 2020 at 01:52 |
 BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "adhering to natural laws".
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Oh really? Gravity isn't a natural law? Go ahead and jump off a cliff and see if those laws don't apply to you whether you believe in them or not.
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You are missing my point. Of course there are natural laws. But saying you "adhere" to them to me implies that there is some way not to adhere to them. Natural laws are there, period.
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BaldeFriede is rationally correct in their assertion here: natural laws preclude the need to adhere to them.
The point about gravity, actually proves BF's point whether intentionally or not.
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Posted: December 13 2020 at 01:29 |
My hat’s off to Mike. It is very difficult to explain any of these things to anyone who has never read anything from the “other side”. I’ve more or less completely stopped talking about these things because I am always having to explain myself to folks who’ve never read a single page of say WikiLeaks. People naturally assume that you’ve completely gone fishing...and yet fail to realise that I actually did the proper legwork myself. I read both(several) sides to X and simply chose to believe the things that seem the most plausible...which in essence sounds crazy when you first take a look at some of this stuff. It’s way easier to shoot everything down without actually looking into it..instead of having to admit to being wrong. Anyhoo I’m out. I just wanted to give a shout-out to the friendly canine 
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BaldFriede
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 10:06 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "adhering to natural laws".
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Oh really? Gravity isn't a natural law? Go ahead and jump off a cliff and see if those laws don't apply to you whether you believe in them or not.
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You are missing my point. Of course there are natural laws. But saying you "adhere" to them to me implies that there is some way not to adhere to them. Natural laws are there, period.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 09:49 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "adhering to natural laws".
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Oh really? Gravity isn't a natural law? Go ahead and jump off a cliff and see if those laws don't apply to you whether you believe in them or not.
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My guess is that Friede's point is not that there are no natural laws, but rather that natural laws are only natural laws as far as they are adhered to automatically and without choice. There is no conscious and chosen "adhering to natural laws". Natural laws have nothing to do with what you discuss as "sovereignty"
Edited by Lewian - December 12 2020 at 09:50
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 09:27 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
SteveG wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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What you have described is capitalism in the free market. That it is inherently a corrupt system
is not mandated by any government contract with the rich as the government was simply created by the rich for the rich. And that includes all the perks that go along with being wealthy in that type of government. There's nothing secret or conspiratorial about it. That's the way it is and most every intelligent person knows it.
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It's not that simple. It's more of a sophisticated way of creating a caste system which allows a few to rule over the rest. Capitalism is a mere ingredient in a much larger recipe. I'm just presenting the methodologies into how they construct these injustices and inequalities. While every intelligent person may be aware that they exist, many of these same individuals are completely clueless as how to escape the entanglements which keep them subjugated.
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And are you one of few who's managed to live freely outside of constrictions of both government and society, completely by your own dictates and rules? If so, tell all of us lesser mortals how you arrived at this blissful and imaginary state of mind.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 09:03 |
SteveG wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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What you have described is capitalism in the free market. That it is inherently a corrupt system
is not mandated by any government contract with the rich as the government was simply created by the rich for the rich. And that includes all the perks that go along with being wealthy in that type of government. There's nothing secret or conspiratorial about it. That's the way it is and most every intelligent person knows it.
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It's not that simple. It's more of a sophisticated way of creating a caste system which allows a few to rule over the rest. Capitalism is a mere ingredient in a much larger recipe. I'm just presenting the methodologies into how they construct these injustices and inequalities. While every intelligent person may be aware that they exist, many of these same individuals are completely clueless as how to escape the entanglements which keep them subjugated.
Edited by siLLy puPPy - December 12 2020 at 09:05
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 09:00 |
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "adhering to natural laws".
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Oh really? Gravity isn't a natural law? Go ahead and jump off a cliff and see if those laws don't apply to you whether you believe in them or not.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:58 |
Lewian wrote:
There is no 100% consensus about anything, so saying that "XXX is just a theory" and "there's no consensus about XXX" are empty statements.
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Of course and yet so many will buy into what the media dictates as truth not only about this so-called condition we label as covid 19 but pretty much everything.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:51 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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What you have described is capitalism in the free market. That it is inherently a corrupt system
is not mandated by any government contract with the rich as the government was simply created by the rich for the rich. And that includes all the perks that go along with being wealthy in that type of government. There's nothing secret or conspiratorial about it. That's the way it is and most every intelligent person knows it.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:30 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "adhering to natural laws".
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:26 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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These folks basically would like to be able to have a City of London setup for themselves. That's where these arguments that US commerce laws don't apply at all to them come from. |
The city of London, Washington DC and the Vatican are all sovereign nations that literally control the entire world. That is a huge rabbit hole to go down. The city of London is a small one square mile, that is not the same as the Greater London area which many of us think of as London.
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I did specifically mean the city of London. The one square mile which has a permanent unelected Rep in the House of Commons, its own Mayor who is accountable to no one, etc. Yes, it's a rabbit hole. And it is also very similar to the structure a certain stripe of libertarians (esp Silicon Valley libertarians like Thiel) imagine for their own personal wealth.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:11 |
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There is no 100% consensus about anything, so saying that "XXX is just a theory" and "there's no consensus about XXX" are empty statements.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:02 |
rogerthat wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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These folks basically would like to be able to have a City of London setup for themselves. That's where these arguments that US commerce laws don't apply at all to them come from. |
The city of London, Washington DC and the Vatican are all sovereign nations that literally control the entire world. That is a huge rabbit hole to go down. The city of London is a small one square mile, that is not the same as the Greater London area which many of us think of as London.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:00 |
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 07:55 |
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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These folks basically would like to be able to have a City of London setup for themselves. That's where these arguments that US commerce laws don't apply at all to them come from.
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 07:52 |
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thank you for reminding me again why I am staying away from people like you. Fortunately I have enough close friends who know better. |
Yeah, i don't like to associate those who mindlessly accept what the propaganda media dictates. It's not hard to do research to find that what is being reported is a big steaming pile of BS. Personally i majored in biology, i've sat through hundreds if not thousands of interviews, lectures, discussions, debates etc from medical doctors, bioengineers, microbiologists, virologists and crap loads of whistleblowers, ex-CIA folk, ex-FBI folk and craploads of others who have expertise who have the smoking gun of how this is all nonsense in how it's being sold to the public. But of course i'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist because i study things on a much deeper level. Whatever. Wishing you the best  |
Thank you and same to you and give my regards to the hundreds of ex CIA and ex FBI people you know. |
Oh i'm certain they already know everything about you. My whole point of posting here is to insert a synapses of suppressed research and scientific discoveries that are all there to be studied once you look in that direction. If anyone thinks there is a consensus of what's going on then they seriously haven't done their homework. The cold hard truth is that much of what is presented to us as factual is nothing more than the best theory chosen for political and financial capitalization. Hopefully this will become clearer really soon once a single dude from Canada reestablishes common law in Canada (which will open the doors for other nations) and we can undergo a modern Nuremburg Trial for crimes against humanity and i guarantee you that many of these miscreants who are perpetuating these deceptions will be brought to justice. Guess what! What's being discussed on this thread is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. It's about to get even more surreal as the planet purges itself of these parasites. Hold on. It's gonna be a bumpy ride  |
That's vague. Who is this "single dude from Canada?" |
Christopher James. He has spent 20 years learning how to restore common law in Canada. The word LAW refers to Land Air Water. Land refers to common law = natural rights, Air refers to ecclesiastical affairs and W refers to Maritime Admiralty Law which is the laws of commerce. Law of the sea has usurped the affairs of sovereign nations and has imposed its will upon us by tricking us into complex contractual agreements.
His website is:
He has tons of videos on BitChute and the day is coming soon, very soon when it will be exposed how we have been duped by these charlatan monetary systems that have resulted in service corporations masquerading as governments.
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My birth certificate does not have a CUSIP number on it. And I ordered mine in 2014 for the purposes of getting a passport. Not all birth certificates have names in capital letters. Those that do are probably for readability reasons. I've seen enough of these to know through my genealogical research. I don't believe this Christopher James knows what he's talking about. Sorry bud. |
You don't have your ORIGINAL birth certificate. Copies aren't the actual contracts. I've researched this for years. Study harder. The laws are quite clear.
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Yes, I do have that too, the original from 1969. There are no CUSIP numbers on it. The whole basis on this is on capital letters and misidentification of numbers on birth certificates. It's in his first "foundational" video. He has built his theory on top of a house of cards. If you researched this for years, how come you didn't see this from the first video? I've studied genealogy for years and have looked at all sorts of birth certificates from multiple countries across more than a century. Don't tell me to study harder! |
You're missing the point. They don't give YOU the original document. The original is transported to a filing system who knows where. The birth certificate that you receive is a duplicate including the very first one you receive at birth. None of this is theory. All of this is the foundation of the two-tiered legal system. You can with some effort become a secure creditor outside the jurisdiction of this service corporation masquerading as a government. Obviously you're not going to understand this from one single promo video i shared. You have to explore a great deal further to fully comprehend how cunning this is. All of this been laid out by many but this book ( https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Solution.html?id=D4aTzQEACAAJ ) is probably the most concise in simplifying the process of regaining sovereignty outside of the jurisdiction of the contractual agreements. And by the way, even if you don't have a birth certificate at all which is quite rare, you still make these same contractual agreements if you file federal income taxes, accept any social benefits or attend public schools. The birth certificate is just one means of achieving this legal entanglement. Either choose to explore further or not. I personally have chosen to exit the slavery system we call government which is in reality nothing more than a service corporation masquerading as such. To nullify Mr James' legal victories in the court systems is choosing not to investigate the evidence that has already been established. The major victory will come soon once several common law court cases in Canada will be put on public record once and for all the true nature of what we call government jurisprudence. The ramifications will affect immediately impact all commonwealth nations including the US and then amplify from there. This process has taken 20 years of tireless efforts on his part. Once again, this is NOT theory.
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The original birth certificate is filed in a state's or province's vital records department. I know where they are filed in my state because I've been there personally to request copies for genealogical purposes. They scan the originals and give me a certified copy. If you're going to claim they are filed "who knows where," then you better have evidence to back that up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I did choose to investigate Mr. James' evidence and couldn't get past the birth certificates. His video shows where he says there are CUSIP numbers but they're all blacked out. That's not evidence of anything. And those that he showed were also copies. If Mr. James wants me to believe some numbers on a birth certificate are CUSIP numbers for some nefarious purpose, he has to prove to me they are and not just say they are. Is it not within my right to question his research?
Curious. Does your birth certificate have a CUSIP number? And if you believe it does, have you ascertained who owns you or did own you before you freed yourself from your slavery?
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Short answer (because i wrote out a long one and the forum crashed and i don't want to spend another 30 minutes writing out again.)
I lost my birth certificate long ago. My understanding is that they phased out putting tracking numbers on decades ago but there are many former judges, law enforcement types, lawyers etc who have verified these things. Check out Anna von Reitz a retired judge who has actually tracked down the corporate registration of the US corporation as existing in Scotland.
Basically this is a murky rabbit hole that you have to go down to gather enough probabilities to give this stuff credence. They made this difficult to figure out for a reason. Only shared to make others aware of this. Call it conspiracy tin foil hat stuff if you want but i'm convinced it is not.
Many judges out there have released statements such as this:
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^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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You really live up to your forum name, apart from the "puppy"-part. I did some clicking by the author's name of this book (note the disclaimer on the copyright page: "The characters and events portrayed in this book are fictitious."). Looking up the author's name I'm stumbling over sites that, like you, seem to denounce the corporate government (wherever). But within 10 lines, they invite me to subscribe, to pay, use paypal or stripe or whatever, as long as you pay... And advertisements all over the place. They seem to me very corporate... Everything they say to denounce. This is just a big scam, and you fell into their trap.
Now, from the back cover of his book: "Ronald-Russell Farnham, authorized representative and owner of RONALD-RUSSELL FARNHAM held a top secret clearance with the DoD for 15 years and then quit because the DoD and everyone working for it are traitors to every living soul on earth. Ronald-Russell is now dedicated to freeing all souls from financial and physical slavery across earth." So he is the owner of his own name, good for him, and he charges49 pounds or 62 dollars for a paperback... Oh, and of the 2.8 million employees at the DoD, he's of course the only one who knows the truth...
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He's a bit of a character for sure but the info in the book is just a step by step guide that many other authors have written. Many offer classes for this stuff too. This is just the most concise. The idea isn't to divorce yourself from the world and go live in the wilderness. The idea is to remove yourself from the parasitic corporate state in order have to have sovereignty over your own financial reality. You obtain an EIN number to navigate through the financial system. It's like two sovereign nations trading. In the end it all boils down to contractual agreements. Going through these processes gives you more autonomy to create your own reality. Let me repeat, this is public info taught by many. There are 6 week courses that cost hundreds of dollars. This is a short-hand guide for doing all this yourself. |
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Posted: December 12 2020 at 04:10 |
dr wu23 wrote:
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You know. I'm nearly 70s years old and have seen a lot of duplicitous actions by the governments we live under, but some of your rantings are, frankly, beyond the pale.
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I'm also almost 70 years old...and I have heard many wild things over the years...some very similar to this over 30 years ago. 'Beyond the pale' is being diplomatic Steve. |
The problem with being near 70 is that occasionally we have to act like it. 
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Posted: December 11 2020 at 14:31 |
SteveG wrote:
You know. I'm nearly 70s years old and have seen a lot of duplicitous actions by the governments we live under, but some of your rantings are, frankly, beyond the pale.
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I'm also almost 70 years old...and I have heard many wild things over the years...some very similar to this over 30 years ago. 'Beyond the pale' is being diplomatic Steve.
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