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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45775 |
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![]() Tarkus and Trilogy are my favorite ELP albums. is that a hot take?
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Zappastolethetowels ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 19 2023 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 1209 |
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If you want another hot take: regardless of the viability and effectiveness of a "big 6" or whatever, Rush don't belong anywhere near a top 10 list of great prog bands (unless you're judging popularity). Without Rush, there would be no Dream Theater, Tool, Transatlantic, Spocks B, Pain of S, and all the like. Also... contemporary prog (your Opeths, Flower Kings, Wobblers, and Steven Wilsons) is no renaissance! Sorry folks... |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18658 |
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I'll give y'all a hot take:(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'82d643228a767d4e',t:'MTcwMTIxMjc5NS4zODQwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
David Gilmour's self-titled is the best solo album from a Floyd alum.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18658 |
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Stopping with Heavy Horses means you miss out on Stormwatch, A and The Broadsword and the Beast.
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Frets N Worries ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 30 2023 Location: Your Basement Status: Offline Points: 4235 |
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I agree with you on Tull completely. Yes albums after drama are GOOD, some really good, but not really essential listening for a new prog fan. (Except for maybe 90125, it'd make a good entry point into the genre) |
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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Thank you for supporting independently produced music
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Zappastolethetowels ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 19 2023 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 1209 |
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I think Logan summarized the intent of such a thread up top to a valid degree. Based on your responses to Cristi, you appear to dislike the topic only when somebody starts to dust your band. I don't care if Rush hackles go over, under, sideways, or down because I stand by my opinion that Rush (up to Caress or FBN, whatever it was) did trite and uninspired 'prog'. What many consider their "classic period" sounds nothing different to me than what was to become prog metal (by numbers). Someone mentioned earlier I exaggerated the sameness of latter day metal, and that's prob true, but I left that genre after hearing enough of those same records in the first place
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45775 |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18658 |
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I'm glad somebody else thinks this, too.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18658 |
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I love SFTW (my favorite Tull album), Heavy Horses and Stormwatch, but I disagree HH is better than Songs. Still, all three are essential.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45775 |
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The Wall 1 is better than TFC. Hey You is also better than anything on TFC. |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12449 |
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AJ Junior ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 11 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 253 |
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I think just the song "Comfortably Numb" is better than the whole Final Cut album.
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"Together We Stand, Divided We Fall"
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AJ Junior ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 11 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 253 |
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My top hot takes:
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"Together We Stand, Divided We Fall"
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45775 |
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I don't have a criteria ![]() I disagree with quite a few statements in this thread. But we all enjoy different things after all.
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Big Sky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2022 Location: USA Status: Online Points: 815 |
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Logan, Your sentences in the first paragraph are spot on. There is no intrinsic value to be found in such a thread but, it is interesting to see individual unconventional takes. As for Magma. I didn't know they were hip and cool. In fact, I don't think hip or cool applies to Prog. Also, I will take Kansas City BBQ over a French croissant any day of the week. |
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Big Sky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2022 Location: USA Status: Online Points: 815 |
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Cristi, By that criteria, posting that Rush, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Kansas, Tool, Porcupine Tree or Radiohead is not Prog, or Crime of the Century is not a Prog album or Steve Howe is the best Prog guitarist and Bill Bruford the best drummer or Trick of the Tail is Genesis best album, etc is not helpful. In fact, fair bit of the discussions here are based on such subjects. In fact, if those subjects and lists of top whatever did not exist here, there would not be much traffic. This thread on "Hot Takes" strictly by your criteria is not helpful. |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12449 |
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What French band is hipper than Kansas? Edited by Grumpyprogfan - November 28 2023 at 18:57 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21343 |
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No Genesis albums are needed after Lamb.
No Yes albums are needed after Drama Jethro Tull did only 6 great albums (Aqualung, TAAB, APP, Minstrel, SFTW, HH) Hawkwind's, King Crimson's & Henry Cow's best albums are all live albums.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37424 |
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These hot takes are about personal, unconventional opinion, I don't find that there is much of global or generally inherent, intrinsic value here. It's fun to see our differences and discuss those.
I accept what is commonly termed as the big five, (that being Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd) from the classic 70s years. I would think of the big six as that plus Jethro Tull, and then VdGG and Gentle Giant. Then maybe PFM and Magma (not Can only because I consider it a different beast). So here is my take that is magma hot, and also kool as Kreühn Köhrmahn: I would rather see Magma in a top list than Kansas. Kansas has sold more, but Magma is the progenitor of an accepted subgenre of Prog, Zeuhl. And Magma, and Zeuhl generally, is considered by the cool progressive rock cognoscenti and hepcats of different stripes to be totes hundin! But don't take just my wurdah for it. And let's face it, France just come out with stuff that is hipper than Kansas (give me a Parisian buttery croissant over a Topeka tart any day). And Kobaia seems a way more interesting place than Kansas. Edited by Logan - November 28 2023 at 13:49 |
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