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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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VU are in a similar position as The Doors in that while using many of the same stylistic innovations as the psychedelic rock scene, in terms of "ethos" they came from a different perspective. Looking at the two bands' ideologies they strike me more as forerunners of respectively the noise rock and gothic rock movements of the 1980s. Similar situation as The Stooges' relationship to punk, for that matter.
I guess it depends on how much you define music genres as specific sounds or styles, versus how much you define them as cultural movements. |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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Judged solely by how they sounded, I'd say VU were psychedelic in their approach. Venus in Furs is one of the most iconic psych tunes of the 60s together with White Rabbit. There was and is obviously a lot more to their music, but more than often you get that gooey thick wobbly carpet-like sound of theirs, and to me that first and foremost screams psych.
And I agree, they did influence a fair few Krautrock acts from the motorik end of the scene. Throw in Ummagumma and the Saucerful of Secrets piece, and you wind up with (some of) the fuel that started the fire. Personally I think the mindset of the time, still with a major hangover from WWll, was to blame for the explorative and wild nature of the music. Something had to give. In many ways the same can be said about the birth of the psych scene. It's crazy when you think of how much brilliant and boundary pushing music that has been made in the face of violence and war. |
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tamijo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
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Just an idear : Delete the videolink when quoting
No need to post the same video link again
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Tame Impala remind me a bit of Spiritualized or some of the other overtly psychedelic/spacy 1980s/1990s indie rock groups but with a more selfconsciously retro production... perhaps also less Velvet Underground-isms.
Do the VU count as psychedelic, by the way? I'm not really sure, ideologically they were very different from that subculture but on the other hand they were a large influence on it in particular the Kosmische Musik movement. (I prefer that classification to "Krautrock" for several reasons) |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^Thanks for the videos, guys. Tame Impala is awesome but this is the first time I've seen the vid, and I didn't know Entombed did a cover of Vampire, which was way cool.
And have to thank David for the Primal Scream cover of Slip Inside. Now I'm into Primal Scream, again.
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LearsFool ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8644 |
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Truly wonderful band. Lonerism is a masterpiece, and I love this one description I got of it once: "This sounds like The Beatles making a Radiohead album."
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Here is a death metal cover of a Roky Erickson song by the way, I'm kind of surprised there aren't more considering the horror B-movie themes in a good deal of his solo discography. I like that they actually preserve a sort of psychedelic feel with the way the interweaving feedback from the guitar and bass are used. (something Autopsy have also utilized to great effect, not sure if they're actually inspired by Roky though)
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here we go - the psych rock lounge has been opened
![]() let me propose a typical band which is really excellent, though can't be filed under the progressive rock tag - Tame Impala Edited by Rivertree - December 16 2014 at 14:57 |
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http://www.amazon.com/Have-Always-Been-Here-Before/dp/B0007MRXUG Edited by HolyMoly - December 16 2014 at 14:49 |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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On the subject of Roky Erickson, how many of his solo albums are worth hearing? I quite enjoy Roky Erickson and the Aliens and Gremlins Have Pictures, not quite sold on the acoustic albums yet though. |
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LearsFool ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8644 |
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The Lips are pretty great. Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots is a wonderful album of light, happy neo-psych. And The Soft Bulletin is just masterful; we got a lot from their first trip into psych.
Heck, if it weren't for In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, then The Soft Bulletin would've probably ended up the ITCOTCK for American indie.
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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The Flaming Lips' evolution has been remarkable, but it has also been very gradual, punctuated every ten years or so with a more pronounced leap forward. I listened to them in the late 80s in college, and I never would have dreamed they would still be around today, let alone leading the pack of experimental pop.
I've hopped on/off board and followed them loosely ever since then, but I don't think I really considered myself a true fan until their recent abrasive Krautrock phase kicked in a few years ago. Once I got that, I had a more sympathetic view towards their other albums leading up to it. On paper, they're not doing anything overly crazy or complex. But the mere fact that they can come up with all these random ideas in the first place, and then actually put these crazy whims into practice, and turn them into enjoyable albums, is a pretty impressive feat. The 4 CD simultaneous experiment of "Zaireeka" seems like a pretty obvious gimmick now that it's actually been done, but can you imagine what leaps of logic and imagination were necessary to actually give birth to the idea and to the finished product? Edited by HolyMoly - December 16 2014 at 09:40 |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^Ok, enough of that. On with the show!
If there's any current pop rock group more misunderstood than the Flaming Lips, I would like to meet them. Formed as an Alt Rock group some 30 years ago by the Coyne brothers and joined by an multi instrumentalist who took the job as their drummer, the Flaming Lips exuded a psych pop vibe while remaining brother Wayne Coyne wrote existential lyrics that were hidden by both their music and "the world is a giant party" day glow persona. This netted the group the critically acclaimed 2002 album Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots which sold well and was backed with two similar albums before the band took a serious detour and produced two albums that were both musically and lyrically existential. 2009's Embryonic and 2013's The Terror evoked Popol Vuh like soundscapes of dread, from multi instrumentalist Steven Drzod, now coupled with Coyne's dark and cynical lyrics. One song from The Terror starts off with the line "You've got a lot of nerve to F___ with me." From the Flaming Lips? Really? Yes. However, all of this putting the band into some kind of schizophrenic identity. Solution to the problem? The Lips remake Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in their own image and call the album "With a Little Help From My Fwends" (The spelling is correct). Is it any good? I think so as I did not feel an urge to play the original after hearing it. I think that The Lips found a way to merge their musical personalities on this one coupled with, what I suspect, is part lo fi home recording mixed with hi fi studio trickery to give the album an almost 3D sound effect. But I think the trick is not to take album seriously. After all, the Flaming Lips never took themselves seriously either.
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Online Points: 2157 |
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A lounge within a lounge is not a lounge
![]() An annex or room perhaps ![]() A 'lounge' ought to be subject to PA approval. Well I guess it is sort of, given that Guldbamsen initiated the thread
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4596 |
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I love 60's/70's psych though I'm not an afficionado like others here...I grew up on 60's top 40 radio and psych was a good chunk of what was popular. It's funny, I've always thought there was a very fine line between psych and early prog to the point that I don't really distinguish between them
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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The 13th Floor Elevators also made 'Slip inside this House'
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^Thanks for the uplink on the Elevators, TM. They always had a great story that sometimes overshadowed the music. I hope that people will come to appreciate them more, now.
And the 'It's a happening' vid was so good that I had a flashback.
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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I'm pretty sure the 13th Floor Elevators were the very first music group to identify their own style as "psychedelic". The behind-the-scenes history of not just Roky Erickson's life but the careers of the other musicians also reads like something straight out of Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus Trilogy.
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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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Hey this is was great idea! As usual in PA Forum!
Coincidently I listened the whole morning to a band that has become one of my favourites: I'm talking about The Doors, they are awesome ! Glad to recall them here and there. |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Never look a gift horse in the mouth! Headstone. The 13th floor Elevators never released first album featuring clean recordings of the band's classic material from The Psychedelic Sounds of The 13 FE's first muddy sounding album and showcases why Roky Erickson is perhaps America's greatest rock vocalist. Just slightly Psych at this stage but if you were taken by the band's appearance and back story on Dave Grohl's Sonic Highways series on HBO and want to explore this true American musical cult phenomenon, then this is the place to start.
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