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Henry Plainview 
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 Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:26 |
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Haha, but I think it predates autotune, I can hear it in some Phil Collins songs too. I shouldn't bother me that much, but for some reason the fact that the two layers are just slightly different is extremely irritating.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Dean
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Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:20 |
 can autotune do harmonies?
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:11 |
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I don't know who started it, but at some point every pop/rock singer started doubling all their vocals without bothering to sing harmony, and it drives me crazy. It's such a stupid effect!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Dean
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Posted: October 18 2009 at 11:31 |
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^ you got Monday already? We're still living in the past here.
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dude
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Posted: October 18 2009 at 11:29 |
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I dont like mondays
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 18 2009 at 04:46 |
well ....there's much to rant about this week 
from an idiot on another forum trying to persuade everybody to spray water onto their record while playing "so they sound better with no surface noise" (absolutely dangerous and crazy ) to being bombarded with news items about the death of a homosexual binge drinker who obviously had it coming to him at his age -  , while our brave lads in Afghanistan who hardly get a brief mention these days "maybe we'll send reinforcements next year" are being killed while defending us from evil terrorists, and their role is being undermined by the CND - very insulting to all the men to say the least  at least Pakistan troops are moving in now.
lastly Tory Clown Boris Johnson insists on building another "London" airport smack bang in the middle of a conservation area....  and Tory Boy Cameron - not the least bit interested in conservation (their only interest in wildlife "if it moves shoot or set the hounds on it, or "the law of the jungle") and can't wait to unleash the hounds - is busy promising the world how they will change it , but as we all know will of course take us back to the dreaded Thatcher years..or even further. 
and support your local Postmen, don't set the dog on them! if you were being caned at work by the boss and told you would receive no overtime and threat of redundancy you'd be pretty angry too.. 
...phew! i feel much better now! 
carry on 
Edited by mystic fred - October 18 2009 at 04:56
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Syzygy
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 04:11 |
 Dean wrote:
...and rolling pins and frying pans - but I have learnt not to pick an argument when she's ironing.  (she's still not getting a dishwasher though ) |
Mrs Syzygy has had a dishwasher for years - me !
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 11:04 |
My beef is with Verizon regarding their list of movies which rotates itself in the same fashion as radio. It seems after jaded observation that a list of films are programmed into a system by a thoughtless, brainless pencil neck geek who doesn't know how to be creative. Here are the end results.......The first week of the month you might see a film like Murder By Numbers. It is programmed starting time for example will be 10:00 AM, along with the usual suspects like The Terminator, Sea Of Love, The Edge, etc;.....I can't stand the concept of this whole running process, so I go off and do something else till about 11:00 PM. Now it's back to Verizon with the thought in my head that maybe, just maybe there will be different programming late at night. But no! The list from this morning is now running once again I see Murder By Numbers is out for the kill again. There it is right in front of my face again. Congratulations for having a staff of dwistles.
By the fourth week of that month they usually rotate the same films that were viewed during the first week. Comcast has the same method. You will hardly ever see a film like Little Big Man (Dustin Hoffman) even The Dead Zone (Christopher Walken)....why? Who makes the decision as to what will be programmed and how often? An interesting film like Little Children might pop up twice in a one month period. Why? Then you have VH1 with the usual suspects. Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin, old footage of Woodstock, the making of Dark Side Of The Moon etc;....Such contrived rubbish. Why can't they have something different about music? Underground bands? Why is it that even when they have a prog band documentary on, it always has to be the most common well known or who sold the most records kind of band, blah, blah, blah, cisc coom ba  What a grind it is to a person who is interested in the art form of things. Apparently they wanted to make a point socially that most of the world thinks the same, and by God they have done it!
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 09:39 |
Your wife must be a strong woman if you are worried that she is going to pick up the dishwasher and throw it at you.
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 09:38 |
Dean wrote:
...and rolling pins and frying pans - but I have learnt not to pick an argument when she's ironing. (she's still not getting a dishwasher though ) |
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Dean
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 09:36 |
...and rolling pins and frying pans - but I have learnt not to pick an argument when she's ironing. (she's still not getting a dishwasher though )
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Epignosis
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 09:33 |
Dean wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Language is ridiculous.
I wonder how exactly we just started assigning grunts to certain things, and designating squiggles and lines to represent them. Likewise, how did so many pop up!
OK, I'm burnt out from all this German HW I've had to do. But interesting/slightly annoying point none the less?
I'm going on little sleep, maybe this made no sense at all...
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Language is annoyingly ambiguous, and the written word doubly so, but it is a step-up from the alternative, which generally involved hitting each other with a great big sticks until the weaker combatant submitted or died. |
Hell, Dean, that's still our method in this house. We've evolved from sticks to crock pots and coat hangers though.
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 09:16 |
JJLehto wrote:
Language is ridiculous.
I wonder how exactly we just started assigning grunts to certain things, and designating squiggles and lines to represent them. Likewise, how did so many pop up!
OK, I'm burnt out from all this German HW I've had to do. But interesting/slightly annoying point none the less?
I'm going on little sleep, maybe this made no sense at all...
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Language is annoyingly ambiguous, and the written word doubly so, but it is a step-up from the alternative, which generally involved hitting each other with a great big sticks until the weaker combatant submitted or died.
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JJLehto
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 09:11 |
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Language is ridiculous.
I wonder how exactly we just started assigning grunts to certain things, and designating squiggles and lines to represent them. Likewise, how did so many pop up!
OK, I'm burnt out from all this German HW I've had to do. But interesting/slightly annoying point none the less?
I'm going on little sleep, maybe this made no sense at all...
Edited by JJLehto - October 01 2009 at 09:11
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Dean
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 07:04 |
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^ of course that "flat in Islington" is another symptom - the elevation of an inner-city area to middle-class status driving the original working class inhabitants further into poorer areas, dividing and segregating inner cities. Perhaps that's the explanation - Ms/Mr 'Flat In Islington' on a guilt-trip.
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:46 |
Dean wrote:
I don't know where this so-called liberal approach to antisocial behaviour has come from, or how people with that philosophy have risen to policy-making positions within local government, police force and social services. It certainly seems to fly in the face of commonsense, and even though I can follow the logical thought processes that see borstal and youth detention as just a training school for harder criminal activity and later graduation to adult prison, I cannot see for the life of me how the alternatives are in anyway designed to stop the such behaviour - for example I can't see how spending a pleasant afternoon collecting litter from the side of the road in anyway constitutes a punishment or a deterrent.
A few years back my sister bought her council house from the housing authority under the Tory's "let's get everyone into lifelong debt" scheme. The next move of the housing association was to relocate a troublesome family who had been evicted from several properties into the house next door. All went well for the first couple of months until they discovered my brother-in-law held an Irish passport, then that family then set about systematically harassing and terrorising my sister and her family, they would even drive to the next village and park outside my mother's house in an act of mindless intimidation. Nothing they did was ever criminal, (one thing these kind of people know is "their rights" - they know how far to they can go without breaking the law), and the housing association was "powerless" to intervene. Unable to stand it any longer, and after months of inaction by the housing association, my sister decided to sell-up and move out. Except the neighbours made it impossible to sell the property, scaring off any potential buyers with petty antisocial acts whenever the estate agent visited with clients. In the end she leased the house back to the housing association (and incurred all the expenses of being a "landlord") and with the income from that got another mortgage to buy another house. After four years the asbo family finally moved on and the house was eventually sold. The irony was that during that time my sister worked for the County Council, and even she couldn't find any way around the system to make it work for her.
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It all comes from the political culture of acknowledging everyones rights in equal measure. Sounds perfect, but it's not an approach that works in reality. The rights of people who live peacefully and are respectful of others in society, need to be given significant and obvious precedence over those of people who seek to wreck lives in their communities. If they are not, then there is no deterrence to acts of anti social behaviour. We've made a rod for our own backs in the UK. Many kids - and I dont wish to generalise - grow up with a sense of 'entitlement' rather than a sense of responsibility. Why this has happened is open to debate. It's easy to blame the Thatcher generation for raising an army of self interested urban thugs, with no stake in society, but there has to be more to it than that. The banning of discipling children, the culture of constant praise, attempting to make children feel equal to adult in terms of entitlement, but without the responsibility, has made for huge social problems, which could take generations to reverse.
Who knows what the solution is, but I'm certain it wont come from anyone currently involved in policy making. I'm inclined to think that the solution will need to come from people who have lived in these communities and understand the psychology behind these behaviours, not some champagne socialist, pontificating from its flat in Islington.
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 05:50 |
I don't know where this so-called liberal approach to antisocial behaviour has come from, or how people with that philosophy have risen to policy-making positions within local government, police force and social services. It certainly seems to fly in the face of commonsense, and even though I can follow the logical thought processes that see borstal and youth detention as just a training school for harder criminal activity and later graduation to adult prison, I cannot see for the life of me how the alternatives are in anyway designed to stop the such behaviour - for example I can't see how spending a pleasant afternoon collecting litter from the side of the road in anyway constitutes a punishment or a deterrent.
A few years back my sister bought her council house from the housing authority under the Tory's "let's get everyone into lifelong debt" scheme. The next move of the housing association was to relocate a troublesome family who had been evicted from several properties into the house next door. All went well for the first couple of months until they discovered my brother-in-law held an Irish passport, then that family then set about systematically harassing and terrorising my sister and her family, they would even drive to the next village and park outside my mother's house in an act of mindless intimidation. Nothing they did was ever criminal, (one thing these kind of people know is "their rights" - they know how far to they can go without breaking the law), and the housing association was "powerless" to intervene. Unable to stand it any longer, and after months of inaction by the housing association, my sister decided to sell-up and move out. Except the neighbours made it impossible to sell the property, scaring off any potential buyers with petty antisocial acts whenever the estate agent visited with clients. In the end she leased the house back to the housing association (and incurred all the expenses of being a "landlord") and with the income from that got another mortgage to buy another house. After four years the asbo family finally moved on and the house was eventually sold. The irony was that during that time my sister worked for the County Council, and even she couldn't find any way around the system to make it work for her.
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 05:24 |
stonebeard wrote:
I just don't like to see people put smoking as an all or nothing thing. A two pack a day habit is going to wreak havoc, and surely not smoking at all is healthier than any amount, but as someone who smokes in a variety of ways, but generally never seriously, I don't like the attitude that everything will lead to ruin. I try not to make habits that I can't shake easily, which itself would bother me more than what particular activity it is, so long as it's legal.
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I'm inclined to think along similar lines as this. However, as a note of caution it doesn't always take a lifetime of heavy smoking to wreck ones lungs. A genetic pre-disposition to such diseases as Cancer can mean that smoking may cause you to develop the disease much earlier in life.
Generally it is quite rare, but I'm aware of two people in their 30's who have developed lung cancer in the last year. One guy, an engineer where I work is just 39, and typically smoked around 15 ciggies a day. His mother died at 50 with LC, following a 25 year 10 a day habit. Clearly there is a genetic factor at work in these cases, but it makes you think. Makes me think anyway..
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 05:15 |
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Ultimately everything is driven by cost and other resources. Fiona Pilkington was told that no one was available to to come to her aid, every time she reported the problems. In the UK, the government likes to dress everything up in what appears to be 'good intentions' In the case of youth crime, they say they dont like locking up kids, because it serves no long term purpose, and they prefer different approaches that can be applied in the community. This traslates as 'cheaper' and demonstrably less effective approaches.
Effective governemt would aggressively challenge gang culture, and anti social behaviour in our country, and surgically remove these types from communities. Ineffective government passes legislation that allows these types to ride rough shod over the rest of us.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 05:02 |
Blacksword wrote:
New rant:
Is anyone else as sickened as I am about the the Fiona Pilkington case in the UK?
The single mother of a disabled girl suffered years of abuse and harassment at the hands of a local youth gang. She had reported the abuse to the police no less than 33 times, and no action was ever taken. The council also did nothing, despite her attempts to rouse them from their ignorant slumber. Miss Pilkingtons mental state went down hill rapidly, until she finally could take no more, and took her own life and that of her daughter, by setting light to her car, with both of them in it.
Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but hey you know what, some people have severe mental problems, which are exacerbated by the circumstances they find themselves in. If the appropriate authorities had done their f***ing jobs properly this could have been avoided.
Here's the problem. They are not allowed to do their jobs properly because current legislation effectively decriminises anti social behavior in the UK. The authorities can do little more than issue ASBO's (anti social behvaiour orders) which, for many youths are worn as a badge of honour. The government and the police wish to avoid criminilising kids, and have admitted as much. They dont think it helps them in the long run..blah blah whatever.. In the case of this unfortunate women, the gang, sometimes 16 strong, would assemble outside her house throwing stones and eggs, and taunting her, saying that they could do whatever they liked, and no one could touch them. They were right.
This country is absolutely f***ed! When the liberal lobby tell you just how important it is to respect the rights and needs of those who sh*t on the rest of us, just remember, that none of those policy makers live in areas affected by any of these problems. They are disasterously and hopelessly out of touch with reality. Exactly what qualifies them to have their cretinous opinions, I've no idea. F**k em! |
Indeed - I've never heard about this before, but I've read about it a bit on Google news and its pretty ridiculous... I know for a fact that the australian police force are absolutely careless about youth violence and vandalism in some areas as well - Just yesterday 3 kids set a fire about 20 meters from my house on the reserve (At which point I ran out and yelled the C word insanely loud), and after putting it out, I reported the incident and the police couldn't have cared less - And after the Victoria bushfires at the beginning of this year, which were suspected to be the result of youth arson, killed around 80 people and destroyed hundreds of homes!
The treatment of the Fiona Pilkington case sounds disgusting - I seriously don't see why they don't just arrest the kids for youth violence and/or vandalism. I mean, sure, it would override their stupid rules, but it would be for the greater good, and ultimately, it would be a victory for rational laws.
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