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"Underground pop": We have all these major hit singles and blockbuster albums....but we're far too cool to release them. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

Peter Hammill and VDGG also rejected the label of 'Prog' that the press had attached to them, indicating that the band thought of themselves as 'underground'. There is an important distinction here I think. When you describe yourself as 'underground ' you are implying that you are free from commercial concerns and happy to be relevant and important to a small number of people only. Read the notes on Gentle Giant' s masterpiece ' Aquiring The Taste' for example..." it is our goal to expand the frontiers of popular music at the risk of being very unpopular". That is in my opinion the true spirit of what we call 'Prog'. 'Underground Pop' would probably be more accurate but it' s too long!

underground pop? That's an oxymoron. How can one be both underground and mainstream in the same time? 
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I mean, it's the same thing as Prog vs. Progressive. Depends on if by "pop" you mean literally "popular" or as a style. And then there's the umbrella term of "popular" music.
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Lady Gaga is more prog than Rush

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Rush are closer. Why?
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who is more prog? Rush Queen Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin?LOLErmm
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It's kind of relevant when the website is called Prog Archives. If it was called Whatever Archives maybe it would not matter as much.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is Rush prog? Is Floyd Prog? Is Tull prog? Do these f**king threads never cease?


thanks for pointing that out.
You forgot the obvious candidates for such threads in the past - Radiohead and Tool. Big smileLOL
shhhh. Don't give the OP any ideas.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is Rush prog? Is Floyd Prog? Is Tull prog? Do these f**king threads never cease?

thanks for pointing that out.
You forgot the obvious candidates for such threads in the past - Radiohead and Tool. Big smileLOL
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Is Rush prog? Is Floyd Prog? Is Tull prog? Do these f**king threads never cease?

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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

Ah ok sorry. I was absorbed in the discussion.

I'm glad you are here, you have brought some new energy to an ancient discussion on this forum! 

There are a few things about Rush that have never sat well with me:

a) Alex Lifeson is a fine guitarist for AOR, but I don't consider him to be in the same league as Fripp, Hackett and others in the genre.  I'm very demanding when it comes to guitar. 

b) Lee is an outstanding bassist, but his vocals don't really move me, and the lack of choral vocals disappoint me.  

c) No Mellotron.  Well, not much in the way of keyboards, really.   I consider sublime keyboards to be an essential ingredient of prog, which is why I bitch & moan so much about Yes these days - they fired Ollie Wakeman for Geoff Downes??  Ugh.

Drumming is amazing, lyrics are fantastic, and they have generated a huge fan base with an eclectic style, so I give them a ton of credit.  However, I just don't put them on the same pedestal as classic Yes, King Crimson, Genesis and so forth.  I like them, but I don't study their catalog like I do with works like TFTO or LTIA.  


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Sorry - late to the discussion. A very good question - in my school days in the 70s I honestly did not think of prog as a separate genre to rock. To me, it was intelligent, complex, thoughtful rock that I liked the most. Rush ‘rocked’ but as I proudly showed my gatefold vinyl of All The World’s A Stage, I did not see them as separate or different to all my favourite bands like Genesis, Yes, Purple, Zep, Lizzy, ELP etc. I embroidered the Star Man on the back of my denim jacket and proudly wore it at all rock concerts regardless of the genre we now give these bands. Rush started off as Zeppelin-style rock, definitely went through a classic prog period, changed to more AOR, touched upon prog-metal and then returned home on the last few albums. Farewell to Kings through to Moving Pictures was a hell of an era to me, and I do look upon that as ‘prog’ in the way we pigeon-hole bands these days. The best bands transcend genres (I suppose Tull do as well, amongst others) and in the end you either like them or you don’t. 
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Ah ok sorry. I was absorbed in the discussion.
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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

I think you may be more familiar with grog than prog!

well, it seems you do not know that an LOL emoticon means I'm trying to be funny, I'm joking. 
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I think you may be more familiar with grog than prog!

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I think we can agree to dlisagree on that one. As for the term ' popular' it means' of the people' as opposed to ' of a few wealthy people' as was the case before recorded music.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

What is prog?

prog is what?
is prog what?
is what prog?
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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

That was not the important part of my message. Call it what you want...it's the definition that matters.it's all 'popular' music, as opposed to music for a few wealthy people, like was the case in the 18th century.

I just pointed out your "underground pop" expression made no sense. If you want to call Rush pop music, go ahead, I guess they are a popular band. LOL
If you don't think they're a prog rock band, again,  fine, but it seems you are annoyed that the rest of us think Rush is a progressive rock band. 
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That was not the important part of my message. Call it what you want...it's the definition that matters.it's all 'popular' music, as opposed to music for a few wealthy people, like was the case in the 18th century.

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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

Peter Hammill and VDGG also rejected the label of 'Prog' that the press had attached to them, indicating that the band thought of themselves as 'underground'. There is an important distinction here I think. When you describe yourself as 'underground ' you are implying that you are free from commercial concerns and happy to be relevant and important to a small number of people only. Read the notes on Gentle Giant' s masterpiece ' Aquiring The Taste' for example..." it is our goal to expand the frontiers of popular music at the risk of being very unpopular". That is in my opinion the true spirit of what we call 'Prog'. 'Underground Pop' would probably be more accurate but it' s too long!

underground pop? That's an oxymoron. How can one be both underground and mainstream in the same time? 
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