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progaardvark 
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 Posted: December 14 2020 at 09:22 |
 siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
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Easy Money wrote:
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^ Thank you for reminding me again why I am staying away from people like you. Fortunately I have enough close friends who know better. |
Yeah, i don't like to associate those who mindlessly accept what the propaganda media dictates. It's not hard to do research to find that what is being reported is a big steaming pile of BS. Personally i majored in biology, i've sat through hundreds if not thousands of interviews, lectures, discussions, debates etc from medical doctors, bioengineers, microbiologists, virologists and crap loads of whistleblowers, ex-CIA folk, ex-FBI folk and craploads of others who have expertise who have the smoking gun of how this is all nonsense in how it's being sold to the public. But of course i'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist because i study things on a much deeper level. Whatever. Wishing you the best  |
Thank you and same to you and give my regards to the hundreds of ex CIA and ex FBI people you know. |
Oh i'm certain they already know everything about you. My whole point of posting here is to insert a synapses of suppressed research and scientific discoveries that are all there to be studied once you look in that direction. If anyone thinks there is a consensus of what's going on then they seriously haven't done their homework. The cold hard truth is that much of what is presented to us as factual is nothing more than the best theory chosen for political and financial capitalization. Hopefully this will become clearer really soon once a single dude from Canada reestablishes common law in Canada (which will open the doors for other nations) and we can undergo a modern Nuremburg Trial for crimes against humanity and i guarantee you that many of these miscreants who are perpetuating these deceptions will be brought to justice. Guess what! What's being discussed on this thread is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. It's about to get even more surreal as the planet purges itself of these parasites. Hold on. It's gonna be a bumpy ride  |
That's vague. Who is this "single dude from Canada?" |
Christopher James. He has spent 20 years learning how to restore common law in Canada. The word LAW refers to Land Air Water. Land refers to common law = natural rights, Air refers to ecclesiastical affairs and W refers to Maritime Admiralty Law which is the laws of commerce. Law of the sea has usurped the affairs of sovereign nations and has imposed its will upon us by tricking us into complex contractual agreements.
His website is:
He has tons of videos on BitChute and the day is coming soon, very soon when it will be exposed how we have been duped by these charlatan monetary systems that have resulted in service corporations masquerading as governments.
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My birth certificate does not have a CUSIP number on it. And I ordered mine in 2014 for the purposes of getting a passport. Not all birth certificates have names in capital letters. Those that do are probably for readability reasons. I've seen enough of these to know through my genealogical research. I don't believe this Christopher James knows what he's talking about. Sorry bud. |
You don't have your ORIGINAL birth certificate. Copies aren't the actual contracts. I've researched this for years. Study harder. The laws are quite clear.
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Yes, I do have that too, the original from 1969. There are no CUSIP numbers on it. The whole basis on this is on capital letters and misidentification of numbers on birth certificates. It's in his first "foundational" video. He has built his theory on top of a house of cards. If you researched this for years, how come you didn't see this from the first video? I've studied genealogy for years and have looked at all sorts of birth certificates from multiple countries across more than a century. Don't tell me to study harder! |
You're missing the point. They don't give YOU the original document. The original is transported to a filing system who knows where. The birth certificate that you receive is a duplicate including the very first one you receive at birth. None of this is theory. All of this is the foundation of the two-tiered legal system. You can with some effort become a secure creditor outside the jurisdiction of this service corporation masquerading as a government. Obviously you're not going to understand this from one single promo video i shared. You have to explore a great deal further to fully comprehend how cunning this is. All of this been laid out by many but this book ( https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Solution.html?id=D4aTzQEACAAJ ) is probably the most concise in simplifying the process of regaining sovereignty outside of the jurisdiction of the contractual agreements. And by the way, even if you don't have a birth certificate at all which is quite rare, you still make these same contractual agreements if you file federal income taxes, accept any social benefits or attend public schools. The birth certificate is just one means of achieving this legal entanglement. Either choose to explore further or not. I personally have chosen to exit the slavery system we call government which is in reality nothing more than a service corporation masquerading as such. To nullify Mr James' legal victories in the court systems is choosing not to investigate the evidence that has already been established. The major victory will come soon once several common law court cases in Canada will be put on public record once and for all the true nature of what we call government jurisprudence. The ramifications will affect immediately impact all commonwealth nations including the US and then amplify from there. This process has taken 20 years of tireless efforts on his part. Once again, this is NOT theory.
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The original birth certificate is filed in a state's or province's vital records department. I know where they are filed in my state because I've been there personally to request copies for genealogical purposes. They scan the originals and give me a certified copy. If you're going to claim they are filed "who knows where," then you better have evidence to back that up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I did choose to investigate Mr. James' evidence and couldn't get past the birth certificates. His video shows where he says there are CUSIP numbers but they're all blacked out. That's not evidence of anything. And those that he showed were also copies. If Mr. James wants me to believe some numbers on a birth certificate are CUSIP numbers for some nefarious purpose, he has to prove to me they are and not just say they are. Is it not within my right to question his research?
Curious. Does your birth certificate have a CUSIP number? And if you believe it does, have you ascertained who owns you or did own you before you freed yourself from your slavery?
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Short answer (because i wrote out a long one and the forum crashed and i don't want to spend another 30 minutes writing out again.)
I lost my birth certificate long ago. My understanding is that they phased out putting tracking numbers on decades ago but there are many former judges, law enforcement types, lawyers etc who have verified these things. Check out Anna von Reitz a retired judge who has actually tracked down the corporate registration of the US corporation as existing in Scotland.
Basically this is a murky rabbit hole that you have to go down to gather enough probabilities to give this stuff credence. They made this difficult to figure out for a reason. Only shared to make others aware of this. Call it conspiracy tin foil hat stuff if you want but i'm convinced it is not.
Many judges out there have released statements such as this:
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It didn't take me very long to find out that Anna von Reitz isn't a judge. Judge Dale seems to be a possible hoax, unless you happen to know their full name. I would opine that going down in that "murky rabbit hole" and spending thousands of hours in it has clouded your judgment.
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BaldJean
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 09:22 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
You know why? Because i coincide with natural laws: physically, emotionally and spiritually.
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Once more, natural laws are those you have no choice to not adhere to, and neither has anybody else including Easy Money. (As a biologist you should know that.)
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Not true. Natural laws can be disobeyed. You're missing my point. Of course natural laws cannot be changed. They are immutable forces of the known universe but they can be ignored which often results in harm. For example it's a natural law that glucose is the waste product of cellular metabolism but yet many are addicted to sugars and end up obese, with diabetes or even worse cancer. This is the perfect example of a person not obeying the natural laws of biology and suffering the consequences. Why is this so hard to understand? Seems like common sense to me.  |
seem to me to be a question of definition. I would not call this "obeying to natural laws"; in fact I find the phrase to be rather awkward regarding this matter
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 09:05 |
SteveG wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
This is probably not near complicated or paranoid enough for some of you, but I still think when I need medical advice I'm going to go to my doctor. |
Considering medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the USA, why do you confuse paranoia for downright mistrust and being informed of the reality that exists?
As a biology major i have much more insight into how utterly incompetent the medical system is. If you do not fall into the business plan paradigm which they have crafted then you are basically ruined. There's a reason medical school is so expensive. It's a financial trap.
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Sorry pal, between you and my doctor, I think I like my doctor better. |
Well you, like many, seem to be a reality denier. I hope your doctor is one of the good ones. They do exist but the statistics are definitely an atrocity for a so-called developed nation. Personally i do not go to doctors, dentists or any medical establishment. Guess what! I never get sick, i have no cavities, i exude optimal health and never and i mean never get depressed or suffer any other mental disorder this nation is so famous for. You know why? Because i coincide with natural laws: physically, emotionally and spiritually. I don't even have health insurance! Why? Because i don't need it because as a biologist i figured out long ago that they sell you the poison so they can sell you the cure |
Yes, I knew a scientist who, like you, was also a science denier as medicine is a science. He never went to doctors, had no health insurance, and like you, claimed to have no cavities and never went to a dentist. He died at 43. An autopsy revealed that he died of undiagnosed hypertension. People remembered him for two things: he was an odd person and his breath was always bad.
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Taking responsibility for your own health is work for sure. You have to learn that every substance, if not classified as a nutrient is by definition toxic to the human body with a few benign substances thrown in for good measure. And on top of that even if one is doing everything right as far as diet, exercise and mental health there are still invisible threats that affect our health. Pollution in the air, the water, the food supply and EMF radiation in tandem wreak havoc on the human physiology. One must be militant about the water one drinks, the quality of food one consumes and absolutely MUST find a way to protect oneself from dirty electricity, EMF frequencies and even toxic psychic attacks. One must also learn how to recognize when something is going on in his / her body so that medical action can be taken if necessary. Where Western medical science shines is in the case of emergency care. Eastern methods such as ayurveda and Chinese traditional medicine are much more about prevention focusing on overall balance. So if you go this route you truly do have to know what you're doing. The reason i don't visit doctors or dentists is simple. I don't have to!
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 09:02 |
lazland wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
SteveG wrote:
[Yes, I knew a scientist who, like you, was also a science denier as medicine is a science. He never went to doctors, had no health insurance, and like you, claimed to have no cavities and never went to a dentist. He died at 43. An autopsy revealed that he died of undiagnosed hypertension. People remembered him for two things: he was an odd person and his breath was always bad.
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One of my uncles is a dentist and a strong believer in 'natural healing'. So he would never administer even Paracetamol to his children when they ran high fever. |
I’m a big believer in natural healing, as well. I religiously have at least 2 or 3 pints of beer a night to flush the system out  |
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 08:59 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
You know why? Because i coincide with natural laws: physically, emotionally and spiritually.
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Once more, natural laws are those you have no choice to not adhere to, and neither has anybody else including Easy Money. (As a biologist you should know that.)
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Not true. Natural laws can be disobeyed. You're missing my point. Of course natural laws cannot be changed. They are immutable forces of the known universe but they can be ignored which often results in harm. For example it's a natural law that glucose is the waste product of cellular metabolism but yet many are addicted to sugars and end up obese, with diabetes or even worse cancer. This is the perfect example of a person not obeying the natural laws of biology and suffering the consequences. Why is this so hard to understand? Seems like common sense to me. |
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lazland
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 08:32 |
rogerthat wrote:
SteveG wrote:
[Yes, I knew a scientist who, like you, was also a science denier as medicine is a science. He never went to doctors, had no health insurance, and like you, claimed to have no cavities and never went to a dentist. He died at 43. An autopsy revealed that he died of undiagnosed hypertension. People remembered him for two things: he was an odd person and his breath was always bad.
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One of my uncles is a dentist and a strong believer in 'natural healing'. So he would never administer even Paracetamol to his children when they ran high fever. |
I’m a big believer in natural healing, as well. I religiously have at least 2 or 3 pints of beer a night to flush the system out
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 06:40 |
SteveG wrote:
[Yes, I knew a scientist who, like you, was also a science denier as medicine is a science. He never went to doctors, had no health insurance, and like you, claimed to have no cavities and never went to a dentist. He died at 43. An autopsy revealed that he died of undiagnosed hypertension. People remembered him for two things: he was an odd person and his breath was always bad.
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One of my uncles is a dentist and a strong believer in 'natural healing'. So he would never administer even Paracetamol to his children when they ran high fever.
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SteveG
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 06:23 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
This is probably not near complicated or paranoid enough for some of you, but I still think when I need medical advice I'm going to go to my doctor. |
Considering medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the USA, why do you confuse paranoia for downright mistrust and being informed of the reality that exists?
As a biology major i have much more insight into how utterly incompetent the medical system is. If you do not fall into the business plan paradigm which they have crafted then you are basically ruined. There's a reason medical school is so expensive. It's a financial trap.
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Sorry pal, between you and my doctor, I think I like my doctor better. |
Well you, like many, seem to be a reality denier. I hope your doctor is one of the good ones. They do exist but the statistics are definitely an atrocity for a so-called developed nation. Personally i do not go to doctors, dentists or any medical establishment. Guess what! I never get sick, i have no cavities, i exude optimal health and never and i mean never get depressed or suffer any other mental disorder this nation is so famous for. You know why? Because i coincide with natural laws: physically, emotionally and spiritually. I don't even have health insurance! Why? Because i don't need it because as a biologist i figured out long ago that they sell you the poison so they can sell you the cure |
Yes, I knew a scientist who, like you, was also a science denier as medicine is a science. He never went to doctors, had no health insurance, and like you, claimed to have no cavities and never went to a dentist. He died at 43. An autopsy revealed that he died of undiagnosed hypertension. People remembered him for two things: he was an odd person and his breath was always bad.
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 06:15 |
rogerthat wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
I would agree with that, I rarely use opoids, dental surgery being the one exception. I was merely pointing out that I have never had any personal doctor try to sell me anything. The fact that there are criminals in any professional field is unfortunate. If you actually know of a doctor who is selling anything to patients, you should contact the police.
As regards your following post about the pharma industry problem, I would agree with that as well, but getting advice from a personal doctor would have nothing to do with that. |
I don't think they would literally sell but the pharma industry pitches certain medicines to them. Which in turn they will start prescribing to patients. That happens here too on a much smaller scale. There is just more regulation....on paper. We are more vulnerable, if anything, to individually corrupt doctors than in the US because of weak litigation but less vulnerable to pharma getting through to doctors to push certain medicines. |
No argument with that either, we are just talking about two different things here. Doctors are not allowed to directly sell anything to patients, and I have never seen such a thing happen. People break the law in any field, but any personal doctor I have had is not part of that.
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 06:12 |
Easy Money wrote:
I would agree with that, I rarely use opoids, dental surgery being the one exception. I was merely pointing out that I have never had any personal doctor try to sell me anything. The fact that there are criminals in any professional field is unfortunate. If you actually know of a doctor who is selling anything to patients, you should contact the police.
As regards your following post about the pharma industry problem, I would agree with that as well, but getting advice from a personal doctor would have nothing to do with that. |
I don't think they would literally sell but the pharma industry pitches certain medicines to them. Which in turn they will start prescribing to patients. That happens here too on a much smaller scale. There is just more regulation....on paper. We are more vulnerable, if anything, to individually corrupt doctors than in the US because of weak litigation but less vulnerable to pharma getting through to doctors to push certain medicines.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 06:08 |
Apparently there is a Covid-related "great reset" advertised by some, which in my ears doesn't sound that bad. Of course only taking into account what its supporters openly say they want, not what is mentioned under "conspiracy theory" on that website (and of course I'm leaving open the possibility that the whole thing is not quite as benign as it is sold to be); I'd be curious what people like Silly Puppy think of that.
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 06:05 |
rogerthat wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have never had a doctor try to sell me anything, poison or otherwise. Where did you hear of such a thing? |
I can give you an example. In the US, pain was designated as a serious disease so that opioids could be prescribed for patients experiencing acute pain. Unfortunately opioids are addictive, thus precipitating the opioid addiction crisis of recent years. It may surprise you to know that in India, strict restrictions are placed on prescribing opioids (especially because India is the biggest exporter of Fentanyl to the US, lol!). There is simply no question of buying opioids over the counter or even against a doctor's prescription. Hospitals may acquire them in limited quantities with strict monitoring for, say, patients who are recovering from a major fracture. Even in such cases, opioids are administered only in very small quantities. Doctors HAVE been campaigning here to lift such restrictions. A case could be made indeed that our restrictions are too severe. However, it is preferable to allowing opioids to be administered too freely.
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I would agree with that, I rarely use opoids, dental surgery being the one exception. I was merely pointing out that I have never had any personal doctor try to sell me anything. The fact that there are criminals in any professional field is unfortunate. If you actually know of a doctor who is selling anything to patients, you should contact the police. As regards your following post about the pharma industry problem, I would agree with that as well, but getting advice from a personal doctor would have nothing to do with that.
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BaldJean
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 05:00 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
suitkees wrote:
^ Now, this sounds a bit different than what you said before, which was more a stance against the capitalist/corporate powers - to which I actually agree with, but especially in the sense to combat the inequalities between people that a capitalist system creates and/or tries to maintain. But the solution you seem to promote is just to adopt the same capitalist/corporate stance for your own financial gain, thus maintaining the inequalities between people of a same society - promoting egoism over solidarity. Exactly the same selfishness that drives people not to wear masks in these covid-dominated times (to get back to the thread topic...).
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Navigating the legal system and adhering to natural laws are two completely different topics. Anybody can still be a profit seeking psychopath as a sovereign secure creditor. Many of the rich elites already know all this stuff which is why they avoid paying federal income taxes. They research this information. Most don't. As far as masks go, there is no consensus on that. My point of bringing up this legal stuff is to show that those who are making decisions about public health are really corporations disguising as governments making these mandates for their own agendas. When it comes to this sovereignty stuff the financial part is a benefit but escaping the jurisdiction of the psychopaths is golden.
Think of it like this. When you work for a corporation like Wal-Mart for example, you agree to abide by the company's policies while you are at the job. When you are a citizen of the US corporation (or any other around the planet) you are agreeing to its policies and therefore subject to its rules and regulations and forfeiting your constitutional rights. By going through all this legal mumbo jumbo you are basically becoming an independent contractor and can operate as benign or as maliciously as the freewill universe allows. Many of the richest individuals understand these concepts which is why they monopolize the markets.
These principles very much apply to this service corporation dictating mask wearing, lockdowns etc. As a biologist who studies what's going on, i see more agenda playing out than actual science.
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I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "adhering to natural laws".
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Oh really? Gravity isn't a natural law? Go ahead and jump off a cliff and see if those laws don't apply to you whether you believe in them or not.
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You are missing my point. Of course there are natural laws. But saying you "adhere" to them to me implies that there is some way not to adhere to them. Natural laws are there, period.
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Adhere in the sense of obey and live in harmony with. Sorry if i misunderstood. We can either choose to live within the confines of universal laws or suffer the consequences. For example if we are sugar addicts and sugar is a toxin, then we will suffer the consequences of our decision to do that which is harmful to our biological temple. The same exists on the emotional plane where if we do something to another, that there will be consequences for such actions.
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sugar itself is NOT a poison; it is REFINED sugar that is a poison. natural sugar appears in all kinds of fruits that are extremely healthy
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Lewian
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 04:17 |
rogerthat wrote:
Lewian wrote:
By the way, I'm not going to do Mike's job here, but if you're really interested to learn something and to make up your own mind, it shouldn't matter whether the person who first presents something to you comes over as arrogant or does it in whatever style you don't like. They may still have a point. (This one is not to you in particular rogerthat, rather general.) Probably the only thing that makes sense to think is that you may (or not) have the experience that if somebody presents something in a certain dodgy way, it's quite likely to be rubbish (which I do tend to think if people boast too much about their qualifications, what they have done, who they have met etc.). Which you can't know if generally in such cases you don't try to verify.
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In theory, I agree with this. In practice, my time is finite. So I would say more than the tone of what the person is saying, it is the sources he relies upon. When audiovisual info is presented through a documentary, I am more receptive. Why? Because somebody took the effort and expense to shoot it, they interviewed people and they are presenting facts - again - that I can cross verify. Now if you come at me saying everything I have been told by the media is false and present a one hour podcast by somebody whose own credentials are unknown or dubious, that's not very persuasive. Fine, maybe that makes me too conventional but I can live with that. I know that there is plenty of times that a consensus is simply manufactured on flimsy or even no evidence by the mainstream to get people to obey. But if I have to KNOW what REALLY is the truth, I need a little more than somebody's educated guesswork aired on a podcast. As an accountant, my standards of evidence are higher.
So it goes back to what you said earlier. For people like Mike, having an alternative set of things they CAN believe in is very important. It is not for me. I have comfortably lived with the realization that we're lied to for many, many years and will continue to do so. I guess cultural background makes a difference here. I guess it was Oxford that nominated post truth as word of the year in 2017? Well, we have had post truth here in India for many, many years before that. We have already had to deal with having to be extremely cynical to get through life in a third world country. So I have never had a particular eureka moment where my beliefs being shattered felt debilitating. One just shrugs and moves on, just keeping an eye out on things. For example, at some point, the powers that be are going to dump the dollar and switch to cryptocurrencies. I just don't know how soon that is - next year or a couple of years down the line or still later. IF you believed everything the news said, you would not think it is possible but reading between the lines and connecting disparate events suggests that this is on the anvil. |
This is your choice, and of course it's a legitimate one. My point was just that the way the person who asks you to explore a certain thing makes their point is not often a very good reason for making the choice to not explore it. You may of course have other good reasons. (I've got to say from what I have up to now seen from videos Mike has linked or what I have found following hints, I haven't seen much or even anything that I could use as an argument to change your mind. )
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Lewian
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Posted: December 14 2020 at 04:13 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
You know why? Because i coincide with natural laws: physically, emotionally and spiritually.
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Once more, natural laws are those you have no choice to not adhere to, and neither has anybody else including Easy Money. (As a biologist you should know that.)
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Posted: December 13 2020 at 22:37 |
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In short, from the outside looking in, healthcare in the US is too much in the control of the pharma lobby. Doctors have a lot more independence, for now, in India. There is clearly a move underfoot to push India into a US like model by tying corporate health insurance to panel hospitals and doctors. But even then, the last link in the chain - between pharma and healthcare providers - is still not as strong just yet. And only a few large corporates offer health insurance in that structure as described above. So for it to determine the way healthcare is administered everywhere in the country is a long way off, hopefully never.
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Posted: December 13 2020 at 22:34 |
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have never had a doctor try to sell me anything, poison or otherwise. Where did you hear of such a thing? |
I can give you an example. In the US, pain was designated as a serious disease so that opioids could be prescribed for patients experiencing acute pain. Unfortunately opioids are addictive, thus precipitating the opioid addiction crisis of recent years. It may surprise you to know that in India, strict restrictions are placed on prescribing opioids (especially because India is the biggest exporter of Fentanyl to the US, lol!). There is simply no question of buying opioids over the counter or even against a doctor's prescription. Hospitals may acquire them in limited quantities with strict monitoring for, say, patients who are recovering from a major fracture. Even in such cases, opioids are administered only in very small quantities. Doctors HAVE been campaigning here to lift such restrictions. A case could be made indeed that our restrictions are too severe. However, it is preferable to allowing opioids to be administered too freely.
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 13 2020 at 20:24 |
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^ I have never had a doctor try to sell me anything, poison or otherwise. Where did you hear of such a thing?
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 13 2020 at 20:10 |
Easy Money wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
This is probably not near complicated or paranoid enough for some of you, but I still think when I need medical advice I'm going to go to my doctor. |
Considering medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the USA, why do you confuse paranoia for downright mistrust and being informed of the reality that exists?
As a biology major i have much more insight into how utterly incompetent the medical system is. If you do not fall into the business plan paradigm which they have crafted then you are basically ruined. There's a reason medical school is so expensive. It's a financial trap.
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Sorry pal, between you and my doctor, I think I like my doctor better. |
Well you, like many, seem to be a reality denier. I hope your doctor is one of the good ones. They do exist but the statistics are definitely an atrocity for a so-called developed nation. Personally i do not go to doctors, dentists or any medical establishment. Guess what! I never get sick, i have no cavities, i exude optimal health and never and i mean never get depressed or suffer any other mental disorder this nation is so famous for. You know why? Because i coincide with natural laws: physically, emotionally and spiritually. I don't even have health insurance! Why? Because i don't need it because as a biologist i figured out long ago that they sell you the poison so they can sell you the cure |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 13 2020 at 19:11 |
Lewian wrote:
By the way, I'm not going to do Mike's job here, but if you're really interested to learn something and to make up your own mind, it shouldn't matter whether the person who first presents something to you comes over as arrogant or does it in whatever style you don't like. They may still have a point. (This one is not to you in particular rogerthat, rather general.) Probably the only thing that makes sense to think is that you may (or not) have the experience that if somebody presents something in a certain dodgy way, it's quite likely to be rubbish (which I do tend to think if people boast too much about their qualifications, what they have done, who they have met etc.). Which you can't know if generally in such cases you don't try to verify.
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In theory, I agree with this. In practice, my time is finite. So I would say more than the tone of what the person is saying, it is the sources he relies upon. When audiovisual info is presented through a documentary, I am more receptive. Why? Because somebody took the effort and expense to shoot it, they interviewed people and they are presenting facts - again - that I can cross verify. Now if you come at me saying everything I have been told by the media is false and present a one hour podcast by somebody whose own credentials are unknown or dubious, that's not very persuasive. Fine, maybe that makes me too conventional but I can live with that. I know that there is plenty of times that a consensus is simply manufactured on flimsy or even no evidence by the mainstream to get people to obey. But if I have to KNOW what REALLY is the truth, I need a little more than somebody's educated guesswork aired on a podcast. As an accountant, my standards of evidence are higher.
So it goes back to what you said earlier. For people like Mike, having an alternative set of things they CAN believe in is very important. It is not for me. I have comfortably lived with the realization that we're lied to for many, many years and will continue to do so. I guess cultural background makes a difference here. I guess it was Oxford that nominated post truth as word of the year in 2017? Well, we have had post truth here in India for many, many years before that. We have already had to deal with having to be extremely cynical to get through life in a third world country. So I have never had a particular eureka moment where my beliefs being shattered felt debilitating. One just shrugs and moves on, just keeping an eye out on things. For example, at some point, the powers that be are going to dump the dollar and switch to cryptocurrencies. I just don't know how soon that is - next year or a couple of years down the line or still later. IF you believed everything the news said, you would not think it is possible but reading between the lines and connecting disparate events suggests that this is on the anvil.
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