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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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So by doing some reading here at PA, reading other members thoughts and rationale on why Rush are progressive and also why they belong here on PA.....You have answered your own question. "same with Rush, who l have now learned had a Prog period then went a different direction". So can you tell us why you think TAAB and APP are prog and no other Tull album should be in that discussion? I'm very interested in your thoughts here.....and I AM holding my breath for a response.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Damn straight about the thread but some of their Pop stuff was 'kinda catchy' in the best Syd sense. Once 'meta' genres are trotted out as insight the platitude 'I don't care about labels' from a website that is predicated on classification comes across as kinda borderline asinine.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13215 |
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If we consider Genesis to be a prog act, even after a string of god-awful pop rock albums full of Vegas show tunes, then by that low bar Rush is prog as well. These debates are absolutely inane.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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Yes---exactly --depends on the period which is my point---Jethro Tull is fairly blues oriented---all the bands I mentioned are on this website I think.
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Enchant X ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 31 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 872 |
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Yes Rush define prog
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Indeed! The key being prog is an umbrella that unites some otherwise disparate genres. Which is why I always find it odd that people complain about what is in PA. If it’s here, someone at some stage has decided it has a place here, and is prog (or prog related) enough to be here. I’ve discovered lots of bands because they are in PA. It is the commonalities of prog across the genres that puts a band in PA. So just because they don’t seem like prog to you, does not mean they won’t be to someone else. The prog umbrella definitely makes it easier to find interesting and enjoyable music, for me too. |
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nicely and wisely put!
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Zeph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 16 2014 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 573 |
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Why do we have genres? To compare and categorize, which ultimately might lead a person liking prog band A to also discovering prog band B. To that end, I would be sorry if Rush wasn’t featured in here. I like prog music, pop prog, metal prog, folk prog, jazz prog. By the business and fans attempting to label and categorize, I’ve discovered lots of bands in here. There are big differences between genres, but they do share some commonalities that makes them appealing to a wide audience.
I’m all for introducing a few too many rather than too few. One can’t be consistent no matter how prog is defined, and as long as you can’t define it in a consistent manner, you have to accept a larger number of entries. Some spot on and some veering towards the edges. I’m just happy to find all this great music, and having the prog umbrella makes that easier. |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Progressive didn’t have the meaning then that we have instilled in it now, as is evidenced by the cuttings in the booklets for the Krimson 30th anniversary series, where several “progressive charts” are included. For example this one, dated 18 Dec 1971, listing “the week’s best-selling 15 progressive albums”. The artists? 1. Led Zeppelin 2. ELP 3. King Crimson 4. Yes 5. John Lennon 6. Rod Stewart 7. Isaac Hayes 8. Pink Floyd (someone refuting your suggestion that they weren’t considered prog) 9. Wings 10. The Who 11. Cat Steven’s 12. Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen (who? Sounds prog, though! 😜) 13. Santana 14. “New Riders of the Purple Sage” - Various Artists 15= The Doors 15= Traffic Now there’s plenty there that is in PA as either prog or prog-related, but clearly progressive in the ‘70s meant something different than we think of it now. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29332 |
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Prog now has a much wider definition but in the seventies I don't remember them being considered ''prog'' but then neither were Pink Floyd!!
Nowadays I would say everything they did from 1975-1978 easily fits the wider definition. After than it's more 'arty' and pop rock before they turned full circle back to being a straight hard rock band.
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Un Amico ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2021 Location: Tauranga, NZ Status: Offline Points: 114 |
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I think after all the comments/posts here I would like to conclude that as far ss I am concerned it would be better to talk about Prog records instead of Prog bands. That way you vould have Thick as A Brick and A passion Play included here, but no other Tull album, eliminating all controversy or most of it antway...same with Rush, whol have now learned had a Prog period then went a different direction. It does not feel right to give an artist a 'Prog Passport' on the strength of only one or two albums. So my dear friends, I say Prog Music, Prog records, not bands.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Spot on regarding prog being meta.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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I think it really depends on how narrow or wide one chooses their idea of prog to be. For me, prog is not a genre, and never has been - and I think a lot of artists who rebel against the tag do so, because the label being foisted upon them is pigeonholing them into prog as a genre.
When you think about it, prog is meta-genre. There is rock, some of which is prog rock. There is metal, some of which is prog folk. There is folk, some of which is prog folk. There is pop, some of which is prog pop. There is jazz, some of which is prog jazz. There is hip hop, some of which is prog hip hop. This site focuses on the rock side of things, which is why a lot of jazz that might be considered prog isn’t included, and which is why there’s no hip hop. But in terms of rock, most people would call Rush a prog band. If you don’t want to, that’s fine - but why get upset about others doing so? There’s a lot of Rush that does very little for me, and which is not obviously prog at all, but their early albums, especially Caress-Hemispheres, are very hard to argue as not being prog. But even if you choose not to consider these albums as prog, again why get upset about others doing so? When I listen to music, I don’t care about what others think about it. I don’t care what other people choose to categorise it as. Heck, I don’t even care about categorising it myself. My main way of labelling music is whether or not I like it. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Zeph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 16 2014 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 573 |
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Rush is prog and prog is a very wide umbrella. You can question hundreds of bands in here if you want. Even if only a part of their discography fits, they belong here. Lots of bands in PA has albums that are not prog in any sense, but since they got at least one, they’re in.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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I've played in tons of progressive bands and this is literally it. Also, the last poster mentioning prog is a retrospective-driven genre. Add some odd meter choppy-chugs and add a synth lead where a guitar lead would go, then have the guitar play the last 1/4 bar with the synth, etc.
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It depends upon the period of recording, the LP etc. The more of an American blues influence, the less prog IMHO. I'd say Rush, from this list.
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