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Points: 2567 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 15:47
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Originally posted by <font color=#ff0000>andu</font> andu wrote:

Originally posted by <font color=#0000ff>Jim Garten, a brave man</font> Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:

loved 'Brokeback Mountain'
 
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..."
 
 
 
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. Thumbs Down
 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generationsClap, but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating  homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.Angry) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 
 
 
ConfusedRe the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.) Geek


It's not that I'm homophobic, but tell me what part of this is acceptable:
Two cowboys leave the wives they have married, and one of them has children they abandon to go have some "cowboy fun" in a tent

It doesn't matter if these cowpeople are gay or straight, they already have families, and leaving those families, even if they are in love, is despicable, and a shirking and downgrading of the responsibilities of both a husband and parent.
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Originally posted by Scapler Scapler wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

Okay, I confess, I'm a romantic in denial (I guess no more)

I believe in equality and such and such, as Peter mentioned, I find pornography and strip clubs as blatant exploitation and degredation of women, I don't want sex until marriage (I know that's really Shocked) I also believe love should be based off of personality and compatibility and shouldn't be merely skin deep.....

I've yet to find anyone who wants to put up with this crap thoughOuch




It may be really Shocked, but you can only give away your virginity once. Plus, I happen to be a Christian.


That's partially my reasoning, as I am one too (I have many other reasons as well from a more logical standpoint) , though I can tell by most of my peers around me that that doesn't really stop any of them (though they're not too religious)

Jim, regarding Brokeback Mountain, I probably would have thrown up during it. BUT, I am like that with any "love story" movie....again, though I don't agree with homosexuality, I am not in fear of it in any way...As Voltaire sort of said regarding a totally different issue, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," only instead of speech and what not you sub whatever it was I was just talking about I don't rememberTongue


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Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Now, you country has a rather suspicious name: are you a nation of sighing, dewy-eyed, posey-pulling poets? Wink
 
I refuse to answer to that question. Big smile
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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

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I totally agree on what you said about these recent social behaviours. They make me get worried, these days.
 
I assumed there is an "ism" for "romantic" in English, as there is for "romanticist".
Romanticism is a cultural movement from the past, pretty well sumarised here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism), and a romanticist is someone belonging to that movement. "Romantic" is a person who likes flowers, music, is attentive to emotions, blah-blah; it's just a popular notion, derived from the fact that 1. "romanticism" is actually "romantism" in most european languages and 2. "romantic" is (just a soap-)version of the actual meaning of "Romanticism". The "Romanticism/t" word was actually later created in order to avoid confusion with the meaning of "romantic" in English (also in european languages "romantic" means someone belonging to what we call "Romantism" and youy call "Romanticism"). is that clear? WackoLOL
Thank you for that!LOL
 
Now, you country has a rather suspicious name: are you a nation of sighing, dewy-eyed, posey-pulling poets? Wink
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

In Finnish the word 'romantiikka' is used both for the artistic movement and the thing we should be talking about here.
 
that's what i was talking about Wink
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In Finnish the word 'romantiikka' is used both for the artistic movement and the thing we should be talking about here.
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@Peter
I totally agree on what you said about these recent social behaviours. They make me get worried, these days.
 
I assumed there is an "ism" for "romantic" in English, as there is for "romanticist".
Romanticism is a cultural movement from the past, pretty well sumarised here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism), and a romanticist is someone belonging to that movement. "Romantic" is a person who likes flowers, music, is attentive to emotions, blah-blah; it's just a popular notion, derived from the fact that 1. "romanticism" is actually "romantism" in most european languages and 2. "romantic" is (just a soap-)version of the actual meaning of "Romanticism". The "Romanticism/t" word was actually later created in order to avoid confusion with the meaning of "romantic" in English (also in european languages "romantic" means someone belonging to what we call "Romantism" and youy call "Romanticism"). is that clear? WackoLOL


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Originally posted by <FONT color=#ff0000>andu</FONT> andu wrote:

Originally posted by <FONT color=#0000ff>Jim Garten, a brave man</FONT> Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:

loved 'Brokeback Mountain'
 
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..."
 
 
 
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. Thumbs Down
 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generationsClap, but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating  homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.Angry) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 
 
 
ConfusedRe the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.) Geek


Edited by Peter Rideout - October 27 2006 at 09:34
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

loved 'Brokeback Mountain'
 
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..."
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

I like to think I'm a bit of a romantic, and what used to be referred to as a "new-man".

I'm a pretty good cook, respect and love my wife, family and friends (indeed, am unafraid to use the word "love"), can get all dewey eyed at a nice sunset, loved 'Brokeback Mountain', I think 'Something' by The Beatles is the greatest love song ever (and probably the most perfect song ever written) - like Peter, I've never been to a strip club (and actually feel sorry for those who work in them, and pity those who frequent them), have never punched anyone, love the so called 'filler' tracks on prog albums, like "Harlequin" and "For Absent Friends" (but not More fool me - bleagh), I love our feathered and furry friends (although smiling babies make me suspicious... - what exactly are they smiling about?)...

However - I do quite like violent movies (so long as they're well made)    


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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

Okay, I confess, I'm a romantic in denial (I guess no more)

I believe in equality and such and such, as Peter mentioned, I find pornography and strip clubs as blatant exploitation and degredation of women, I don't want sex until marriage (I know that's really Shocked) I also believe love should be based off of personality and compatibility and shouldn't be merely skin deep.....

I've yet to find anyone who wants to put up with this crap thoughOuch




It may be really Shocked, but you can only give away your virginity once. Plus, I happen to be a Christian.
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i can't understand what you are all talking about, could anyone give me a hand? also, do you actually know about the difference between "Romanticism" and "romantism"? they're completely different things.

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unfortunately i am a bit of an old cynic regarding matters of the heart, though i have always believed society/media  puts too much emphasis on expecting everyone to be the perfect couple with 2.5 children, snuggling up with the papers and tea in bed on a Sunday morning - somewhat detached from the real world judging by the Jeremy Kyle show, for instance! Though i am very romantic about the natural world, i love watching wildlife programs, appreciate romantic art and music, it's all about escapism and fantasy. Smile
 
 
 
 
 
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I'm a girl lol. Of course I am romantic
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I could have maybe qualified for this about a year ago, now I've become jaded and detatched from the idea of being "romantic".  Oh well.
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I like to think I'm a bit of a romantic, and what used to be referred to as a "new-man".

I'm a pretty good cook, respect and love my wife, family and friends (indeed, am unafraid to use the word "love"), can get all dewey eyed at a nice sunset, loved 'Brokeback Mountain', I think 'Something' by The Beatles is the greatest love song ever (and probably the most perfect song ever written) - like Peter, I've never been to a strip club (and actually feel sorry for those who work in them, and pity those who frequent them), have never punched anyone, love the so called 'filler' tracks on prog albums, like "Harlequin" and "For Absent Friends" (but not More fool me - bleagh), I love our feathered and furry friends (although smiling babies make me suspicious... - what exactly are they smiling about?)...

However - I do quite like violent movies (so long as they're well made)    

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Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood




Script For A Jesters Tear was the story of my life when it came out in 1983 (23 years ago...); hopelessly infatuated with a girl at the time (who has since become one of my longest standing close friends), I'd spend long hours gazing out of a window in a winsome manner - I like to think this was sheer romanticism, but I was a 19 year old male, so I suspect there may have been other elements at work...
      

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Okay, I confess, I'm a romantic in denial (I guess no more)

I believe in equality and such and such, as Peter mentioned, I find pornography and strip clubs as blatant exploitation and degredation of women, I don't want sex until marriage (I know that's really Shocked) I also believe love should be based off of personality and compatibility and shouldn't be merely skin deep.....

I've yet to find anyone who wants to put up with this crap thoughOuch


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Smile I'm in.
 
I have silly, romantic, outdated notions about the timeless importance of love, honour, respect, equality, tolerance, empathy, etc.
 
I don't like "slasher" or "shoot 'em up" flics -- I like period costume dramas. (In many of my favourite movies, NO ONE gets shot!)
 
I been known to like slow, beautiful romantic prog songs with lots of acoustic guitar, flute, viokin, etc. (The stuff many here dismiss as "filler.") I even like "More Fool Me."
 
Some of my favourite Victorian novelists are -- gasp! -- WOMEN!
 
I like flowers, laughing brooks and little birdies -- I think smiling babies are cute.
 
My favourite song on Relayer is "To Be Over." On Lizard, it is "Lady of the Dancing Water."
 
I've never had a one-night stand, and if I took a girl out on a second date, it meant I liked her.
 
I don't like contact sports, and I've never been in a strip club. (I'd be embarrassed, and I think they are degrading to both women and men.)
 
Bands with names that refer to death, corpses, evisceration, torture, necrophilia, blood, guts, etc, repel me.
 
I'm a pretty good cook.
 
Many of my bosses and co-workers have been women, and I have no problem with that.
 
I live in an area where almost all the red-blooded males hunt, but I've never hunted. (I've never been hungry enough.)
 
I drive a small car, and walk to work.
 
I can understand poetry.
 
I have never punched anyone.
 
In short, I am hopeless.Unhappy
 
 
But I can chop wood, and I LOVE motorcycles! Big smile


Edited by Peter Rideout - October 27 2006 at 09:04
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:17
Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

I've noticed myself slipping towards naivety more these days, due to not so recent liking/more recent talking to of a certain girl they tend to do that, then you slip into a false sense of "hey maybe this is possible", and finally they whip out the "oh I had no idea" and act like liking them is betraying them, and then you can't stand to look at them for the next month....at least I'm currently in the more pleasant part of the cycle (if you can call it that)Yes, I'm bitter, what of it, at least I'm not whining how "no girl likes me" because I don't give much of a sh*t anymore so



Well, if you stay friends for a while, things could change.


You know what's weird? Helen notices me more ever since I asked her out.
    


Who knows, maybe she does like you but she's confused, though the same thing w/ me and Ms. f**k up my life(IT'SA JOKE PEOPLE A JOKE) happens, and I think it's curiosity, at least in my situation


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