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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

...Threads like this one would cease to exist.


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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

What I said was that in a hypothetical web page that lists Prog records instead of artists, you could have TAAB and PP, two albums that helped define Prog, and maybe not the rest of JT's production, which is more Blues-based or Folk-based. Also, if for exampke Michael Buble' released a Prog album in, say, 2022, you could have that album listed on the website without having to issue Michael with a Prog artist'passport'. Rush could have their Proggier albums listed (and their poppier ones would be left out) and Threads like this oe would cease to exist. I think the web sitecshould showcase Prog music rather than bands who have at some point in their career been pkaying Progressive Rock.we could have Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme here but not Invisible Touch, which makes sense when you think about it.i hope I didn't make you hold your breath for too long! I was asleep.

And how does folk suddenly inactivate the prog element(s) in a particular work?

Songs from the Wood is the perfect "progressive folk" record, IMO.
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What I said was that in a hypothetical web page that lists Prog records instead of artists, you could have TAAB and PP, two albums that helped define Prog, and maybe not the rest of JT's production, which is more Blues-based or Folk-based. Also, if for exampke Michael Buble' released a Prog album in, say, 2022, you could have that album listed on the website without having to issue Michael with a Prog artist'passport'. Rush could have their Proggier albums listed (and their poppier ones would be left out) and Threads like this one would cease to exist. I think the web sitecshould showcase Prog music rather than bands who have at some point in their career been pkaying Progressive Rock.we could have Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme here but not Invisible Touch, which makes sense when you think about it.i hope I didn't make you hold your breath for too long! I was asleep.
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What I said was that in a hypothetical web page that lists Prog records instead of artists, you could have TAAB and PP, two albums that helped define Prog, and maybe not the rest of JT's production, which is more Blues-based or Folk-based. Also, if for exampke Michael Buble' released a Prog album in, say, 2022, you could have that album listed on the website without having to issue Michael with a Prog artist'passport'. Rush could have their Proggier albums listed (and their poppier ones would be left out) and Threads like this oe would cease to exist. I think the web sitecshould showcase Prog music rather than bands who have at some point in their career been pkaying Progressive Rock.we could have Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme here but not Invisible Touch, which makes sense when you think about it.i hope I didn't make you hold your breath for too long! I was asleep.
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Half the bands listed here aren't really Prog. PA labels metal bands, electronic dance bands, jazz artists and all sorts of things as "Prog." 

 RUSH most definitely fit most any description of progressive rock: especially from Caress Of Steel to Signals.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Neil Peart's hardly the only drummer to use a large kit! LOL

But he is probably the only one that actually uses the whole kit......I've never seen him with 3 snares and 8-10 toms.......But that's what they needed in a 3pc band to sound like they did.

Pretty sure Mike Portnoy, Marco Minnemann, Mike Mangini and Terry Bozzio use every bit of theirs!
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Neil Peart's hardly the only drummer to use a large kit! LOL

But he is probably the only one that actually uses the whole kit......I've never seen him with 3 snares and 8-10 toms.......But that's what they needed in a 3pc band to sound like they did.
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Neil graduated to a revolving kit. One side was acoustic, the other was electronic. He didn't use the entirety of the kit for every song in concert. In the studio, he only used what he needed, which was closer to the average rock drummer's kit with a few more bells and whistles. Some of you guys make it sound like he practically did a full-blown drum solo in every song.
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^ I know. It's an issue I have with many other drummers within the genre.
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Neil Peart's hardly the only drummer to use a large kit! LOL
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I'm not a fan of Neil Peart's drumming either. No doubt he was very good technically, but there's not much poetry in it. It's just a lot of showing off.

Also, I can't see the point of having 8-10 toms, 15 cymbals and 3 snare drums. Think about what jazz drummers can do with just a straight forward drum kit.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Prog now has a much wider definition but in the seventies I don't remember them being considered ''prog'' but then neither were Pink Floyd!!

Nowadays I would say everything they did from 1975-1978 easily fits the wider definition. After than it's more 'arty' and pop rock before they turned full circle back to being a straight hard rock band. 

Progressive didn’t have the meaning then that we have instilled in it now, as is evidenced by the cuttings in the booklets for the Krimson 30th anniversary series, where several “progressive charts” are included. For example this one, dated 18 Dec 1971, listing “the week’s best-selling 15 progressive albums”. The artists?

1. Led Zeppelin
2. ELP
3. King Crimson
4. Yes
5. John Lennon

6. Rod Stewart
7. Isaac Hayes
8. Pink Floyd (someone refuting your suggestion that they weren’t considered prog)
9. Wings
10. The Who

11. Cat Steven’s
12. Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen (who? Sounds prog, though! 😜)
13. Santana
14. “New Riders of the Purple Sage” - Various Artists
15= The Doors
15= Traffic

Now there’s plenty there that is in PA as either prog or prog-related, but clearly progressive in the ‘70s meant something different than we think of it now.


Yes, I’m quoting myself, but it got swallowed up so quickly, due to how many replies this post is getting. And since it keeps getting brought up, I think it bears repeating. What progressive meant back then, is NOT we think it to mean now....

I've said it many times over and over, like you and many here.........There is nothing, PROGRESSIVE in todays music anymore. It is only PROG, meaning taking elements from the past and using them to create music today. That's not being progressive anymore, only being influenced by the past artists.

Spock's Beard first album was released in 1995, that's not PROGRESSIVE music but it is PROG music. What they recorded on The Light had already been done. Spock's for sure was influenced by many artists that did create progressive rock music, but they were not being PROGRESSIVE.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Yes, but with Journey, most people, even proggers, only know them by their pop hits. So, it would make more sense if they were questioned. And thanks for telling me that they are listed under pop related.

I can list a few artists I don't think should be on PA, but it does not bother me they are. 
Alright, maybe (C)Rhapsody (of Fire). LOL
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I'd like to know why GTR is even in the Archive. Pure pop. A couple ditties by Hackett and Howe won't cut it. LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

If it was decided to jettison the 'non-prog' albums by a particular artist, and Genesis as referenced here are an excellent example... can you imagine the arguments we'd have on here about which of their albums are actually prog, as opposed to whether an artist is considered to be proggy enough to be worthy of inclusion on this site?
Yes, of course. These threads, usually, are started by someone out of sour grapes. They don't like the artist they are posting about to begin with, or have only a limited exposure to the artist they are posting about, which is worse. I'm afraid that we don't help things by responding to these threads, but so it is.


Without naming names there are several artists listed here that I wouldn't personally classify as prog [I also have reservations about some of the sub-genres], and no doubt we all have similar concerns... but constantly arguing over it gets us nowhere.  All that nit-picking aside this site is a top notch resource for information on all things prog (and progressive) related.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vangelis is Prog Related, while Alan Parsons Project is Crossover Prog.


I say 70s APP qualifies for crossover. There are some prog moments in their 80s albums as well. 
It's ironic that no one questions if Journey or APP are prog. And they're listed here under crossover pop, or whatever.

LOL
some don't know Journey are on PA. Sure, they're under prog-related, but the albums before Steve Perry came, could easily be under heavy-prog if you ask me. There was even a JRF touch on those early albums. 

If there ever was a band that had prog-related written all over them, it's Toto. LOL


Yes, but with Journey, most people, even proggers, only know them by their pop hits. So, it would make more sense if they were questioned. And thanks for telling me that they are listed under pop related.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vangelis is Prog Related, while Alan Parsons Project is Crossover Prog.


I say 70s APP qualifies for crossover. There are some prog moments in their 80s albums as well. 
It's ironic that no one questions if Journey or APP are prog. And they're listed here under crossover pop, or whatever.

LOL
some don't know Journey are on PA. Sure, they're under prog-related, but the albums before Steve Perry came, could easily be under heavy-prog if you ask me. There was even a JRF touch on those early albums. 

If there ever was a band that had prog-related written all over them, it's Toto. LOL




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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Prog now has a much wider definition but in the seventies I don't remember them being considered ''prog'' but then neither were Pink Floyd!!

Nowadays I would say everything they did from 1975-1978 easily fits the wider definition. After than it's more 'arty' and pop rock before they turned full circle back to being a straight hard rock band. 

Progressive didn’t have the meaning then that we have instilled in it now, as is evidenced by the cuttings in the booklets for the Krimson 30th anniversary series, where several “progressive charts” are included. For example this one, dated 18 Dec 1971, listing “the week’s best-selling 15 progressive albums”. The artists?

1. Led Zeppelin
2. ELP
3. King Crimson
4. Yes
5. John Lennon

6. Rod Stewart
7. Isaac Hayes
8. Pink Floyd (someone refuting your suggestion that they weren’t considered prog)
9. Wings
10. The Who

11. Cat Steven’s
12. Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen (who? Sounds prog, though! 😜)
13. Santana
14. “New Riders of the Purple Sage” - Various Artists
15= The Doors
15= Traffic

Now there’s plenty there that is in PA as either prog or prog-related, but clearly progressive in the ‘70s meant something different than we think of it now.


Yes, I’m quoting myself, but it got swallowed up so quickly, due to how many replies this post is getting. And since it keeps getting brought up, I think it bears repeating. What progressive meant back then, is NOT we think it to mean now....
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vangelis is Prog Related, while Alan Parsons Project is Crossover Prog.


I say 70s APP qualifies for crossover. There are some prog moments in their 80s albums as well. 
It's ironic that no one questions if Journey or APP are prog. And they're listed here under crossover pop, or whatever.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Vangelis is Prog Related, while Alan Parsons Project is Crossover Prog.


I say 70s APP qualifies for crossover. There are some prog moments in their 80s albums as well. 
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