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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Great News.  Then Indian state of Uttar Pradesh ( with a population of 241 million people) only average 24 Covid cases a day.  And only 0-2 Covid deaths a day.  How does the Indian State- with 73% of the population of the USA- do it? 

The government has supplied the Uttar Pradesh people with ivermectin for a year.  Cheap and effective Ivermectin. No wonder the inventor of Ivermectin won the "2015 Nobel prize for Medicine" for the miracle drug- ivermectin! 

 https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/#:~:text=However%2C%20while%20Uttar%20Pradesh%20was%20the%20first%20state,ivermectin%20widely%20and%20have%20basically%20eradicated%20the%20virus.

I'm happy folks are surviving Covid with an easy cheap medication. Life is good!  Hey, Joe Rogan caught Covid...took Ivermectin...and was completely healed in less than 72 hours. Way to go Joe! Hopefully the other Joe...Joe Biden will OK ivermectin for use in the USA....

Oh, wait. Pfizer gave Biden 4xs more money than any other politician in 2020. Over $381,000. 

Cindy, I know that you don't realize this, but $381,000 is chump change for a company like Pfizer and a pittance as far as campaign contributions go. 4x? Is that more Blaze reporting? For an example, do you recall that Bill Maher gave Obama one million dollars way back in 2008?

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Some people can't differentiate between reliable news sources and opinion sites...

Again, I just browsed only some titles of that "news rescue" site you're linking to, just to understand that this has nothing to do with a news site, but all with a very right leaning opinion site. You know what the difference is between the two? An opinion site presents opinions as news and hides news in a trashload of opinions. A news site presents opinions clearly as opinions so we can distinguish them from real news.

The article you link to comes from The Blaze, where you linked to before and about which I have said also something before, in the same sense as what I say in the paragraph above. I can only conclude that in your blind Biden hatred you obsessively try to find news in disinformation outlets. The article is already a week old; if it was really news, all serious news agencies would have spread it widely within that week. How come they didn't? Maybe it is not really news, other than fake news?

Now, let me link to an opinion piece (clearly presented as such) in a real newspaper, The Guardian, just because I think it is an interesting read: It’s shocking to see so many leftwingers lured to the far right by conspiracy theories. I recommend you to read it, and to continue to read after this quote "There’s a temptation to overthink this, and we should never discount the role of sheer bloody idiocy."...

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Mr Ed says "Everything in Texas is bigger...even their fantasies !"


  Some people can't use logic, critical thinking, or debate. Instead, they attack the messenger, while not addressing the message, policy, or viewpoint.


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Mr Ed says "Everything in Texas is bigger...even their fantasies !"



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Great News.  Then Indian state of Uttar Pradesh ( with a population of 241 million people) only average 24 Covid cases a day.  And only 0-2 Covid deaths a day.  How does the Indian State- with 73% of the population of the USA- do it? 

The government has supplied the Uttar Pradesh people with ivermectin for a year.  Cheap and effective Ivermectin. No wonder the inventor of Ivermectin won the "2015 Nobel prize for Medicine" for the miracle drug- ivermectin! 

 https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/#:~:text=However%2C%20while%20Uttar%20Pradesh%20was%20the%20first%20state,ivermectin%20widely%20and%20have%20basically%20eradicated%20the%20virus.

I'm happy folks are surviving Covid with an easy cheap medication. Life is good!  Hey, Joe Rogan caught Covid...took Ivermectin...and was completely healed in less than 72 hours. Way to go Joe! Hopefully the other Joe...Joe Biden will OK ivermectin for use in the USA....

Oh, wait. Pfizer gave Biden 4xs more money than any other politician in 2020. Over $381,000. 



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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

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If you genuinely believe Biden is worse than Trump, we have a true mental schism going on in this country.   Maybe there's more than one virus going around.

I agree that we have a true mental schism going on in this country.  This is one of the main points I was stressing.  

Religious interpretation is acceptable but scientific logic is not?  Companies are granting religious exemptions but not to those with natural immunity.  Medical Science has proven that vaccines for those with natural immunity is irrational.  There are at least 15 studies, with the largest study group of over 6,000,000 from Israel.

Companies want to protect their employees, I get it.  However, those with natural immunity have a significantly less chance of getting re-infected than those that are vaccinated. And when they do, the viral load is substantially less.  They are far less of a risk to others, so what gives?

Nurses, police, firefighters and many others are protesting, getting fired and quitting due to the mandates.  I bet most of them have natural immunity.  They are in need and their careers and lives are at stake for no good reason.  How can any intelligent human being be so obtuse to this situation?

Am I wrong?  Is there something I’m overlooking as to why natural immunity should not qualify

 

I heard some interesting & positive things this weekend about natural immunity, and to me I'd be fine with it counting assuming there's a way to check for that.   Immunity is immunity as far as I know, in fact someone who has antibodies naturally and then gets a shot or two has a ton more protection than just vaccine or illness provides.  

Maybe some common ground there to work with nationally.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.
Interesting. Lately I have been seeing many doctors due to having cancer and problems related to cancer and they all (around 15) all say the same things, mask, vaccine, social distance etc.
I do know a nurse who thinks the vaccine needs to be around longer before she is trying it, but otherwise she is pretty careful about Covid. She works in the local ICU and has seen many people die.
Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

The medical profession is similar to other professions. A lot of doctors are specialists. So the ones we ought to pay attention to are virologists, epidemiologists, etc., and not just one, but the group of doctors in that field as a whole. Fox News' "experts" tend to be experts in fields that aren't relevant to whatever topic they're discussing (and sometimes these "experts" aren't even certified) or they're lone outliers to their own field.

They do this a lot with climate science. Bring on engineers, physicists, and what have you, that have never had a peer-reviewed article published in the field of climate science. Just put a Ph.D. label next to their name and the viewership will never notice; just as long as they push the ideology. The funny thing is they'll put on the façade that academia has something valuable to say, but then poo-poo academia later on calling it "liberal indoctrination." Fox News is essentially the WWE of the journalism world, and I hesitate to use the word "journalism" in the same sentence.
Ha ha, very true. The last "expert" I listened to on Fox talking about Covid was a podiatrist like my friend. I never knew that these foot doctors were so well versed in infectious diseases! LOL


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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.
Interesting. Lately I have been seeing many doctors due to having cancer and problems related to cancer and they all (around 15) all say the same things, mask, vaccine, social distance etc.
I do know a nurse who thinks the vaccine needs to be around longer before she is trying it, but otherwise she is pretty careful about Covid. She works in the local ICU and has seen many people die.
Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

The medical profession is similar to other professions. A lot of doctors are specialists. So the ones we ought to pay attention to are virologists, epidemiologists, etc., and not just one, but the group of doctors in that field as a whole. Fox News' "experts" tend to be experts in fields that aren't relevant to whatever topic they're discussing (and sometimes these "experts" aren't even certified) or they're lone outliers to their own field.

They do this a lot with climate science. Bring on engineers, physicists, and what have you, that have never had a peer-reviewed article published in the field of climate science. Just put a Ph.D. label next to their name and the viewership will never notice; just as long as they push the ideology. The funny thing is they'll put on the façade that academia has something valuable to say, but then poo-poo academia later on calling it "liberal indoctrination." Fox News is essentially the WWE of the journalism world, and I hesitate to use the word "journalism" in the same sentence.
Ha ha, very true. The last "expert" I listened to on Fox talking about Covid was a podiatrist like my friend. I never knew that these foot doctors were so well versed in infectious diseases! LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.
Interesting. Lately I have been seeing many doctors due to having cancer and problems related to cancer and they all (around 15) all say the same things, mask, vaccine, social distance etc.
I do know a nurse who thinks the vaccine needs to be around longer before she is trying it, but otherwise she is pretty careful about Covid. She works in the local ICU and has seen many people die.
Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

The medical profession is similar to other professions. A lot of doctors are specialists. So the ones we ought to pay attention to are virologists, epidemiologists, etc., and not just one, but the group of doctors in that field as a whole. Fox News' "experts" tend to be experts in fields that aren't relevant to whatever topic they're discussing (and sometimes these "experts" aren't even certified) or they're lone outliers to their own field.

They do this a lot with climate science. Bring on engineers, physicists, and what have you, that have never had a peer-reviewed article published in the field of climate science. Just put a Ph.D. label next to their name and the viewership will never notice; just as long as they push the ideology. The funny thing is they'll put on the façade that academia has something valuable to say, but then poo-poo academia later on calling it "liberal indoctrination." Fox News is essentially the WWE of the journalism world, and I hesitate to use the word "journalism" in the same sentence.
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^ Ohhhh... the "topic" was already quite "off"...

There's the PM thing. If you want to help people, you can always use it. 

You're not sure why I "felt" that need? Then, I'm not sure if your intention was "purely" to help somebody.

Anyway, unless you say some ludicrous things again, I'll not reply "off-topicly".

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

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if you profess that I Am better, I Am ____ free.  This is what will be manifest, but there must be zero doubt about it.  Not easy...

Not desirable for me, either.

BTW, this is ludicrous when coupled with your proclamation about "questioning everything". Really...

I'm aware of some of our mental powers too, but I prefer to be original in that. Not like an indoctrinated puppet.

Not sure why you felt the need to comment on an excerpt from my post. It’s not relevant to the American politics thread.  I felt compelled to reply to Easy Money  because it’s probably one of the most important things in his life right now.

However, I do thank you, you may be on to something.  If one questions everything, how can one not interject doubt in an affirmation.

This may be the reason why I can’t move mountains; yet.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.
Interesting. Lately I have been seeing many doctors due to having cancer and problems related to cancer and they all (around 15) all say the same things, mask, vaccine, social distance etc.
I do know a nurse who thinks the vaccine needs to be around longer before she is trying it, but otherwise she is pretty careful about Covid. She works in the local ICU and has seen many people die.
Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.
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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

if you profess that I Am better, I Am ____ free.  This is what will be manifest, but there must be zero doubt about it.  Not easy...

Not desirable for me, either.

BTW, this is ludicrous when coupled with your proclamation about "questioning everything". Really...

I'm aware of some of our mental powers too, but I prefer to be original in that. Not like an indoctrinated puppet.
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Re Cosmic: My main complaint about doctors in this part of the country is they seem to be very behind when it comes to the importance of diet. I got most of my info on cancer fighting foods, and a proper diet for decreasing damage from chemo and radiation from a progressive cancer center in Austin TX. The food they serve in the hospitals here is just awful.
We also do not have medical marijuana here, which is a miracle substance when it comes to chemo and radiation.
I'm also always interested in older cures such as Chinese herbal cures etc.
There are 3 distinct ways of treating an unbalance.  It’s ideal to incorporate all 3, unless of course you have the control to just will it.

Mind alone can cure any disease, aka the placebo effect.  The mind can trigger the body to produce any chemical needed in the exact dose needed at precisely the right time and with zero side effects. I think most doctors will agree that a positive attitude goes a long way. This may me all one can do...

The universe will give you exactly what you ask for, you must be precise, treat it as if your writing software code.  If the mantra is, I will get better, that is what you are putting forth and you will be stuck in a never-ending loop.  On the other hand, if you profess that I Am better, I Am ____ free.  This is what will be manifest, but there must be zero doubt about it.  Not easy...

2nd way is energy work.  There are more energy methods than you can shake a stick at.  Most common are acupuncture and laser puncture.  There are methods that are really far out there that I wouldn’t even consider until recently, after I saw firsthand results.

3rd is chemicals, yes they do help in certain circumstances but are risky when synthesized in a lab.  I think food and supplements fit into both the energy and chemical category.

I would tackle it from every angle I can. You are a 3 part being, so why not address all 3 fronts.

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Re Cosmic: My main complaint about doctors in this part of the country is they seem to be very behind when it comes to the importance of diet. I got most of my info on cancer fighting foods, and a proper diet for decreasing damage from chemo and radiation from a progressive cancer center in Austin TX. The food they serve in the hospitals here is just awful.
We also do not have medical marijuana here, which is a miracle substance when it comes to chemo and radiation.
I'm also always interested in older cures such as Chinese herbal cures etc.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.
Interesting. Lately I have been seeing many doctors due to having cancer and problems related to cancer and they all (around 15) all say the same things, mask, vaccine, social distance etc.
I do know a nurse who thinks the vaccine needs to be around longer before she is trying it, but otherwise she is pretty careful about Covid. She works in the local ICU and has seen many people die.
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Seriously Cosmic, have you ever discussed any of this with your personal physician, not a youtube video.
This isn't a put down, its an honest question.

Long story that I may elaborate on later, I need to get back to work.

Over 30 years ago I was diagnosed with crohn’s disease.  For several years I saw different doctors and specialists, I was told it was not curable but manageable.  To me it didn’t seem like it was manageable, after 3 years I weighed 110lbs @ 6’ tall.

I finally ended up going to the Schacter Center for complimentary medicine.  There were 2 MD’s on staff as well as an Alternative practitioner. After 1 month of alternative therapies my symptoms started to reverse.  It took around 5 years to get back to 100%, so yea, it was curable.

Most doctors know even less about vaccines then they do about nutrition.  Unless they take the time to do the research on their own they are told how great vaccines work and given a schedule. Maybe couple of hours out of all the years of study are dedicated to vaccines, same for nutrition.

How many in medical school have the time to research something that will not be on the test?

I see alternative practitioners but have not visited a medical doctor in over 20 years now.

I was always on the side of modern medicine verse’s what I saw as the quackery of snake oil charmers until i got sick.

Over the years I learned a lot about whole body healing from both MD’s and alternative practitioners.

Key is to listen to all sides, question everything and do your own thinking.
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Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.
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Seriously Cosmic, have you ever discussed any of this with your personal physician, not a youtube video.
This isn't a put down, its an honest question.
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Yep, the idea of something like herd immunity has pretty much been abandoned at this point.
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