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Points: 7870 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 23:56
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:



Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

In the great words sung by UFO " Doctor Doctor please!!!!!''

 
Hit me with something great then I'll shuddup Smile



What modern genre would you prefer to hear then? I've got resources. I'm not shy. I love my Prog young and old....can't say the same for my women. yet.
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Points: 20671 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 23:19
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

In the great words sung by UFO " Doctor Doctor please!!!!!''
 
Hit me with something great then I'll shuddup Smile
Why don't you hit us with your great bands from that era so we can critique your choices.
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Points: 1607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 21:36
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

In the great words sung by UFO " Doctor Doctor please!!!!!''
 
Hit me with something great then I'll shuddup Smile
Maybe you will change a little bit the concept you have from Modern prog, when you attempt to listen more that bands, for instance I have just known the bands Autumn Whispers and Unreal City (with the only album La Crudelta Di Aprile) and some tracks hit me with a more melodic prog for this era. But I've got to agree with you - just before that RPI album, I had first got to know Autumn(UK)'s only album "Oceanworld", and this one entirely sounded SUPERB to my ears at the first listening! I'm sure I'm going to listen it much more times...
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Points: 2528 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 17:32
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

In the great words sung by UFO " Doctor Doctor please!!!!!''
 
Hit me with something great then I'll shuddup Smile


Edited by dr prog - December 14 2013 at 17:32
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Points: 2528 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 17:03
The videos pasted in here are mediocre ar best. Blande melodies, no vocal character, plain instrumental sound. If you think modern music is 1/10th as good as 70s you're losing it Tongue I really don't get the ratings in here either. Usually its the better albums which get the lower ratings and the less melodically brilliant ones which get the high ratings. Most people in here are don't have their prog hats on. They would rather listen to technical playing which is 1/10th as hard as clever complex melodies. They put Genesis, Crimson and Floyd on pedestals when there are many better bands from that era

Edited by dr prog - December 14 2013 at 17:04
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Points: 2528 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 16:43
I really have no time to search for the small amount of good stuff today when there is so much more quality and quality from the 1969-82 period. Thumbs Up

Edited by dr prog - December 14 2013 at 16:44
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Points: 7870 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 10:27
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:


Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:




Originally posted by timbo timbo wrote:

I think to a large extent, it depends on when you started getting into prog.

As a teenager in the late seventies, I came to prog through Genesis, Yes etc. (admittedly slightly past their golden age, but soon picked up their back catalogues). I therefore have an emotional attachment to them that I don't have to modern prog.

While I have enjoyed discovering modern band like Big Big Train and Moon Safari, I don't have the same connection with them. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate the music, but it doesn't "grab me" like the 70s bands I grew up with.

Probably younger listeners will have the same experience - what they got into as teenagers will have the emotional connection that earlier/later bands don't have. Not to say one is better or worse than the other, it's just the bond isn't quite there.

Good point.  I'm definitely a classic prog guy...perhaps because that was the music I grew up on?  Maybe?  I don't know and I really don't care.  I have very few "modern prog" bands in my collection but not because I turn my nose up at anything released after September 24, 1974  LOL  It's simply a function that the sound I enjoy the most is rooted in classic prog so when a band like Anglagard showed up with mellotrons, analog gear, and a writing style that explored the classic prog vocabulary at the forefront, it spoke to me in a way that modern prog bands with digital instruments never did.  I have tried out some modern prog that my PA brothers and sisters rave about on youtube - but it get's a very lukewarm "it's good" reception and nothing like the obsessive insanity that I have for classic prog (or more recent bands that worship/emulate that era).  
So while it's not a prejudice against modern prog, probability theory tells me I'm better served spending my precious time exploring the classic prog goldmine.  <span style="line-height: 1.2;">I get way more excited about the prospect of hearing an unknown French prog band from '75 for the first time than I ever get about a pending 2013 release </span>Wink


Have you tried the band Astra?  Not sure if they would appeal to you or not, but I believe that they use all authentic old equipment and recording technologies. 

Thanks much for the tip...I read your review of "The Weirding" yesterday and was intrigued...I'm giving the album a spin or two now - TGFYoutube Wink


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Points: 7870 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 10:24
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Modern prog lacks melody, character and authenticity.

Dude, you miss out on so much amazing progressive music by outright dismissing modern stuff altogether.

So many inventive and exciting bands working in a variety of progressive genres to discover!

Don't simply hang on to a few albums from a small period of time and miss everything else.


I couldn't agree more. Dismissing 21st century Prog is a big no no....somebody operate on Dr. Prog!!

I wouldn't be much help, man, I always sucked at that....kept hitting the sides and setting the red light off!





You played operation too!! Cheeky bugger.
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Points: 1607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2013 at 17:49
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Now I try some albums with tons of 5 stars ratings and I find them disappointing, it seems that the taste of many contemporary proggers is getting more and more differentiated from mine (which is not surprising given that I start to be an old fart, 47 now).
 
Sometimes I feel the same, I guess we have to consider that the elements of the Classical Music were very present in the classic prog generation. But as I dig into today's bands I realize they are more free to develop new ideas, and I'm having some good surprises since I began to listen these new bands, thanks firstly to ProgArchives.com
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Points: 1398 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2013 at 10:52
I'm another one who grew up in the middle of 70's and "modern" prog too (teen in late 80's), and I like both almost equally, but I give a slight edge to the 70's prog for several reasons: primarily because I have a sense of awe at the explosion of creativity as this new genre now know as "progressive" came into being. I think it would be difficult--perhaps impossible to recreate again. I'm still sensing it as I continue to collect 70's prog that I've never heard. 
On the other hand, as I collect modern prog, I appreciate new ideas, but I always have an awareness of the influences of the past.  I agree that there is another "golden age" of prog happening again and I'm glad to see it (or hear it).  But it is built upon the rock of the past (no pun intended)--it adds to but does not necessarily improve upon what has been.
 
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I'm 59 and I still don't know what prog is, but I like good music. I'm not picky about how old it is.  LOL
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Points: 5154 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2013 at 14:05
There's good and not so good Prog now (as always has) but the problem is that my tastes seem to differ more with other younger Progger's. In the 70's and 80's we all more or less agreed in what was great and what was OK and what was weak. Of course some preferred it harder, some preferred it folkier etc, but there was a wide consensus on what were real masterpieces.
Now I try some albums with tons of 5 stars ratings and I find them disappointing, it seems that the taste of many contemporary proggers is getting more and more differentiated from mine (which is not surprising given that I start to be an old fart, 47 now).
 
In this other post I mentioned some of the recent albums I have really liked and some of the ones which disappointed me
 
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Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

44 here.  Discovered prog in mid to late 80s, and love both classic and modern.  Listen more to modern at the moment, but to some degree that's because its easier to find than classic that I don't already know.


Then you are like me.  I am also 44, discovered prog in the late 80s (though I had a brief encounter with ELP's Pictures earlier, but it really went off only in '87), love both classic and modern, though more modern than classic.



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44 here.  Discovered prog in mid to late 80s, and love both classic and modern.  Listen more to modern at the moment, but to some degree that's because its easier to find than classic that I don't already know.
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

I can't say that I prefer the new prog over the old prog but I'll take the new prog over the newer pop stuff any day. Being a teen in the eighties I was caught between two worlds. I suppose many folks my age have never discovered the new prog because they somehow weren't exposed to the old prog so I suppose most prog fans are either over 50 or under 30. I'm not sure but sometimes it seems that way. I was fortunate to be able to discover prog at a time when it was very underground and not active in a commercial way or a way where people could easily discover it. I still favor the bands who got me into the genre in the first place such as YES, King Crimson, ELP, Genesis, Pink Floyd, RUSH etc.


I would disagree with your age estimates.  I am 41 and felt like I got the best of both worlds.  I was listening (generally due to other adult's or my friends' older siblings' playing tastes) to progressive rock of the 60s and 70s during the 70s and 80s.  On the other hand, I may have been an exception. In fact, other than a very short stint of loving any pop song that was new when I was 11-12, most of the bands I truly enjoyed (of any genre) had pre-1980 beginnings.  One of the things that annoyed me the most about the 80s was how some bands changed their style to fit better with so much of the garbage coming out at that time.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Weirding is the one I have by Astra but only managed one listen but will give it another go. Chronomotree is very ELP like at times. Amazing keyboard runs by Fred Schendel that are hard to ignore if you like that sort of thing (obviously I do!!). Vocally it misses the mark and Glass Hammer took a massive step forward when they employed a full time drummer from The Inconsolable Secret onwards. It would be a bit dangerous to dismiss them on the basis of an album made 14 years ago (they have made several since) but you are of course fully entitled to your opinionSmile

Just listening to The Weirding at the moment. Is it  just me or does it sound a bit like Black Sabbath doing symphonic prog??! Not what I remember anyways. Liking it Thumbs Up



Not that far-fetched an analogy but I'm glad you like it and I think they're a very cool band. And you'll like the second one, The Black Chord, as well!

Yep strange I dismissed this so readily. Perhaps it was because it  feels a bit 'stretched out' ideas wise but on the other hand there is plenty room for the music to breathe. The playing and natural sounding production is top notch. Yep The Black Chord here I comeSmile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Weirding is the one I have by Astra but only managed one listen but will give it another go. Chronomotree is very ELP like at times. Amazing keyboard runs by Fred Schendel that are hard to ignore if you like that sort of thing (obviously I do!!). Vocally it misses the mark and Glass Hammer took a massive step forward when they employed a full time drummer from The Inconsolable Secret onwards. It would be a bit dangerous to dismiss them on the basis of an album made 14 years ago (they have made several since) but you are of course fully entitled to your opinionSmile

Just listening to The Weirding at the moment. Is it  just me or does it sound a bit like Black Sabbath doing symphonic prog??! Not what I remember anyways. Liking it Thumbs Up



Not that far-fetched an analogy but I'm glad you like it and I think they're a very cool band. And you'll like the second one, The Black Chord, as well!
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An example of that modern, contemporary prog at its best: Gabe Stallman's  Ampevene EP http://gabestallman.bandcamp.com/album/ampevene-ep  (name your prIce)
 
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Points: 29904 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2013 at 02:03
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Have to say I find both Wobbler and Astra pretty boring based on what I've heard. I also didn't like Angalgards last album.Glass Hammer are my favourite retro prog band. I need some warmth in my symphonic prog which those other bands seem to lack. The icey Scadanvian approach probably not my thing.


While I disagree with regard to Astra, I understand when it comes to Wobbler. The first much-hyped album (Hinterland) is by-the-numbers 70s love fest. Nothing really sticks out. On that one, they emulate the "style" but they don't make it their own. I've still not heard Afterglow but the third one, Rites At Dawn, I like much, much better than the first.

Glass Hammer is a band I used to like a lot. For whatever reason, their "flavour" of prog doesn't sit as well as it once did. Chronometree is my fave but I don't think it's as blatantly Yes-derivative as their later works. I respect those guys, though.

I agree about Hinterland.  It's quite enjoyable and great fun but I don't think it's nearly as deep or rewarding as repeated listenings to Astra's "The Weirding".  Chronometree was one of those modern prog albums I loved at first hear...I thought I'd discovered a prog holy grail...and after the initial one week glow I never went back to it and traded the cd away.  Same as the first Magna Carta album.  For me they were all flash and no substance.

The Weirding is the one I have by Astra but only managed one listen but will give it another go. Chronomotree is very ELP like at times. Amazing keyboard runs by Fred Schendel that are hard to ignore if you like that sort of thing (obviously I do!!). Vocally it misses the mark and Glass Hammer took a massive step forward when they employed a full time drummer from The Inconsolable Secret onwards. It would be a bit dangerous to dismiss them on the basis of an album made 14 years ago (they have made several since) but you are of course fully entitled to your opinionSmile

Just listening to The Weirding at the moment. Is it  just me or does it sound a bit like Black Sabbath doing symphonic prog??! Not what I remember anyways. Liking it Thumbs Up


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