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Tom Ozric 
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 Posted: February 24 2014 at 03:34 |
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^Tom....If you drooling over their debut you should now buy the album "First Light". "First Light" was discovered by WA's single most ardent fan as an acetate pressing in approx. 2007. The band recorded this acetate before their debut album in 1970 and was used as a way to get a record deal. It has most songs from the debut but also has probably their greatest track that was never ever released; that track is called "Roads of Day to Day" and this track is astonishing. The fan was able to get all previous members of WA on board and released it on CD in 2008. For an acetate recording it is amazing quality. Go buy "First Light" now and get back to me about <span style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;">"Roads of Day to Day" .......I still cannot believe that they did not re record this for their debut......it should have been a monster hit.....it should have been released as a single in 2008.</span> <span style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;"></span> <span style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;"></span> |
Just got this 'First Light' on order as an LP !! Syn-Phonic has copies of it fresh in-stock so without hesitation.......
Still obsessing over S/T  - the first 5 minutes of 'Handy' is some of the most inspired music I've heard for ages.....
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 08:40 |
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All 3 volumes of Live Dates are worthwhile purchases although they have a few tracks to be skipped over sometimes..it's worth having them in your collection. I liked Locked In ..but I personally have trouble adapting to the "talk box" which in the 70's was very huge and crafted by guitarists like Joe Walsh and Peter Frampton. Wishbone Ash began using it on Locked In and New England. New England is a fine album without the "talk box"
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 06:05 |
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Wishbone Four, in hindsight, wasn't a bad album - it's just that it followed Argus and fans were expecting more. Also, the mixing/production wasn't great, and sadly the original tapes have disappeared so producing a cleaner version isn't possible 
What I would recommend, since you enjoyed MTs band, is getting a copy of the "Life Begins" DVD (or CD) that they recorded a few years back. It includes renditions of what are (IMO) the four standout songs from Wishbone Four, so if you have that you probably wouldn't need the album.
PS. Locked in really is dire though! |
I'll give W4 another listen.
Probably you're right and the problem is just that it's in between two terrific records (Argus and There's the Rub).
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 23:14 |
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Sorry Tom, just an expression meaning I was envious you have only recently found WA
Someone recently had shared they just discovered Caravan and I thought the same thing! Mate the risk of typed words, I am very happy for you |
Cool !! Oh, the joy of discovering music this wonderful. I mean, I've missed out on enjoying WA for a possible 25 years (since I started buying LP's and getting into Prog...). Better late than never - 
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 16:42 |
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 16:24 |
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^So you're the one!
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 15:50 |
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I like Locked In.
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 13:48 |
Sorry Tom, just an expression meaning I was envious you have only recently found WA
Someone recently had shared they just discovered Caravan and I thought the same thing!
Mate the risk of typed words, I am very happy for you
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 04:54 |
^ ?? What - 'another mug jumping on the bandwagon' pissed, or 'it's taken someone this long to discover a great band' pissed ?? I'm confused as to your context - hopefully the latter...... 
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 03:37 |
Funny, I am kinda pissed you have recently discovered them now.....All that discovering, Yep as Alan says There's the Rub and New England are outstanding. The only one I have struggled with so far but still turn it up for loyalty sake is Raw to The Bone
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AlanB
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 01:42 |
Wishbone Four, in hindsight, wasn't a bad album - it's just that it followed Argus and fans were expecting more. Also, the mixing/production wasn't great, and sadly the original tapes have disappeared so producing a cleaner version isn't possible
What I would recommend, since you enjoyed MTs band, is getting a copy of the "Life Begins" DVD (or CD) that they recorded a few years back. It includes renditions of what are (IMO) the four standout songs from Wishbone Four, so if you have that you probably wouldn't need the album.
PS. Locked in really is dire though!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 00:24 |
Chris S wrote:
^^ Wishbone Four is underrated cos they went to short tracks mode but highly recommend Ballad Of A Beacon, and Everybody Needs A Friend
I love Front Page News too, Laurie Wisefield's contribution to the later WA sound is praiseworthy for sure
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Well, I'd probably get this fourth album if/when I see it (on LP) - I am familiar with 'Ballad...' from the Live Concerts album.
Darn it, I wish I had paid more attention when I saw MT's Wishbone perform live last year at BB King's whilst I was on holiday in NYC. I was there for Nektar, and MT and his band came on after and I hadn't ever before heard a note of WA. I stuck around to see what all the fuss was about this band and was sold that night  . I really thought they were a 'bog-standard' blues/boogie band with twin guitars. Boy, was I wrong..........even the way they do their more simpler 'rockers' just ticks all the right boxes for me. As you can tell, I've gone all WA mad
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 00:16 |
AlanB wrote:
First Light is certainly worth getting. It has alternative versions of every track from the debut album except Phoenix, plus a version of Alone from Pilgrimage which is longer and has vocals, plus the song BarryGlibb was raving about , and an unreleased instrumental.
Of the albums after There's The Rub, I would say New England and No Smoke Without Fire are the best. |
^ These are the 2 I had in mind  . I can't believe that I had skipped on this band for 20-odd years 
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 20:28 |
^^ Wishbone Four is underrated cos they went to short tracks mode but highly recommend Ballad Of A Beacon, and Everybody Needs A Friend
I love Front Page News too, Laurie Wisefield's contribution to the later WA sound is praiseworthy for sure
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AlanB
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 18:21 |
First Light is certainly worth getting. It has alternative versions of every track from the debut album except Phoenix, plus a version of Alone from Pilgrimage which is longer and has vocals, plus the song BarryGlibb was raving about , and an unreleased instrumental.
Of the albums after There's The Rub, I would say New England and No Smoke Without Fire are the best.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 14:26 |
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^ Right - I'll see what I can do - thanks for the info. Anything to do with the debut *must* be acquired. I run the risk of 'burning' the album out from listening too much to it.
The sound of 'Pilgrimage' is amazing - Marty thrashing a beautifully toned Rickenbacker throughout is notable.
The track 'F.U.B.B.' from There's The Rub is awesome, so is 'Persephone'.
I don't like what I read about Wishbone 4 and Locked In, but some of the albums afterwards I'll be keeping an eye out for.
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 04:45 |
^Tom....
If you drooling over their debut you should now buy the album "First Light".
"First Light" was discovered by WA's single most ardent fan as an acetate pressing in approx. 2007. The band recorded this acetate before their debut album in 1970 and was used as a way to get a record deal. It has most songs from the debut but also has probably their greatest track that was never ever released; that track is called "Roads of Day to Day" and this track is astonishing.
The fan was able to get all previous members of WA on board and released it on CD in 2008. For an acetate recording it is amazing quality.
Go buy "First Light" now and get back to me about "Roads of Day to Day" .......I still cannot believe that they did not re record this for their debut......it should have been a monster hit.....it should have been released as a single in 2008.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 23:43 |
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I'm still drooling over the debut - love everything about it - and I also got LP's of 'Pilgrimage' and 'There's The Rub' at a recent record fair and love them both - the track 'Vas Dis' is probably the best I've heard from the 5 LP's I now have.....
.....but something's really special about the debut........
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Posted: February 10 2014 at 16:56 |
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Definitely Argus but Phoenix off the debut is my favourite song of theirs.
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Posted: February 07 2014 at 05:41 |
BarryGlibb wrote:
IMHO after 40 years of listening and appreciating them.......
There's the Rub (5*) > Argus (5*) > Live Dates (5*) > New England (4.5*) > Wishbone Ash (4*) > Pilgrimage (4*) = No Smoke Without Fire (4*) > Wishbone Four (3*) > Front Page News (2.5*) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locked In (1*) |
Well, I agree on the first three studio records you mentioned. New England gets third place after Argus and There's The Rub. 
I don't like Wishbone Four.
Locked In it was a waste of money.
Edited by Andrea Cortese - February 07 2014 at 05:41
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