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Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
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Points: 5154
Posted: March 25 2013 at 03:58
Stool Man wrote:
Partly the reason for so many unemployed people is having so many people. 1 billion in about 1800 doubling to 2 billion in the 1920s, doubling again to 4 billion in the 1970s, and currently 7,106,117,013 ( when I wrote that number, now out of date)
Superpopulation is undoubtedly one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) problems the world is facing, but in terms of impact on unemployment I would say that it is only marginally relevant, since under equal conditions, production and consumption are both proportional to population. If today we used the production methods of 100 years ago I guess that there would be work for the 7,1 billion without any problem (whether maintaining this population with those methods would be practically feasible or not is another question).
I love robots: they don't have any ego, they work for free, they cover Motorhead...
Many people in the 19th and early 20th century expected that machines would release humans of the hard work and improve our quality of life so we could live working less and enjoying life more. Sci-Fi stories portrayed future societies were machines did the work and humans as a whole enjoyed that reduction of hard work and dedicated themselves to philosophical and cultural activities.
The reality is that those who have a job have to work as hard if not harder than before in order to lead a 'normal life' (perhaps not physically as hard but surely in terms of time and effort) and because of machines a lot of people have become unemployed and my guess is that the trend will grow worse in the coming future. The huge level of automatisation in current industry has drastically reduced the need for human employees and companies strive to automatise their processes more and more and reduce their human workforce as much as possible.
The problem is that all that work now performed by machines does not produce any benefit for those whose work has been taken over but all the contrary, it has made them miserable. Alright automatisation allows products to be cheaper for the consumer but we have to pay attention or we will get a society where things are cheap but only a few people have any money to buy them.
Partly the reason for so many unemployed people is having so many people. 1 billion in about 1800 doubling to 2 billion in the 1920s, doubling again to 4 billion in the 1970s, and currently 7,106,117,013 ( when I wrote that number, now out of date)
Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
Status: Online
Points: 5154
Posted: March 25 2013 at 03:17
CPicard wrote:
I love robots: they don't have any ego, they work for free, they cover Motorhead...
Many people in the 19th and early 20th century expected that machines would release humans of the hard work and improve our quality of life so we could live working less and enjoying life more. Sci-Fi stories portrayed future societies were machines did the work and humans as a whole enjoyed that reduction of hard work and dedicated themselves to philosophical and cultural activities.
The reality is that those who have a job have to work as hard if not harder than before in order to lead a 'normal life' (perhaps not physically as hard but surely in terms of time and effort) and because of machines a lot of people have become unemployed and my guess is that the trend will grow worse in the coming future. The huge level of automatisation in current industry has drastically reduced the need for human employees and companies strive to automatise their processes more and more and reduce their human workforce as much as possible.
The problem is that all that work now performed by machines does not produce any benefit for those whose work has been taken over but all the contrary, it has made them miserable. Alright automatisation allows products to be cheaper for the consumer but we have to pay attention or we will get a society where things are cheap but only a few people have any money to buy them.
Joined: October 09 2005
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 19:28
The whole idea of robots interests me a great deal and I look forward to future developments, but then I'm a fan of Japanese mecha so hardly a surprise that.
Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 14:24
Robots give me diarrhea
Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 14:14
They're just dumb machines.
I'm more scared of the acne-pocked Billy Nomates's who write the software, well, not them specifically, but the bug-ridden C++ code they produce. If megaliths the size of Microsoft, Apple and Google can't write error-free, crash-proof, virally-immune code what chance is there that a spotty oik working in a university basement can adequately program software into an electric tooth brush that won't violate Azimov's Three Laws of Robotics the moment your back is turned??
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