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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 05:08
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Perhaps, poor Phil, he dearly loved his wife at the time.  This came at the same time that Frida's (Abba) marriage was falling apart with her partner (one of the dudes, the piano player of Abba - Benny - I can't remember...) - anyway, this culminated in Phil's collaboration of sorts with Frida for her hit album 'Something's Going On' (as I've mentioned earlier, with fellow musicians Daryl Stuermer, Peter Robinson, Mo Foster and others) - a selection of songs written by certain peoples (eg :  Bryan Ferry, Rod Argent, Russ Ballard, PhilCo etc.).  A very decent 'pop' album, nicely executed for the most part.

Anyway, I'm currently up to Heathaze - and I'm really moved.  Ripping bass from Mike, Tony's piano (CP70) has such an ethereal tone to it.  But most of all, a fantastic track.  I did buy my LP sometime in 1988 (jeez, don't I repeat myself (when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress....)) but I am totally blown out currently with it.  I also just gave Yesshows a spin (which I haven't done for many, many years).  Equally impressed here.  Am I just getting old ???

Ahhh....Yesshows for the vinyl cover alone, beautiful album too!

Heathaze is a great song, often maligned for Bank's lyrics but I like it a lot. A softer similarity to another side one closer Mad Man Moon
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:26
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

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was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert."
I have read this somewhere - even if this is its initial design, and I've never formatted the track order in such a way, but I can't see how 'Turn It On Again' fits into the whole envisioned piece - it would stick out like a sore thumb.  I wonder if anyone has tried this track-flow and what they thought of it as a lengthy epic ??.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:04
I think it's usual to go back much later and rediscover something that had almost become background music/wallpaper...you're so used to not paying attention when it's playing, that once you've given it some distance and then actually listen to it closely again, it can change your whole perception of the album!

Happened to me not long ago with not only `Abacab', but the second Crimson album `Wake....'

(and now that I'm heading in that direction, `The Wake' by IQ too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:53

Perhaps, poor Phil, he dearly loved his wife at the time.  This came at the same time that Frida's (Abba) marriage was falling apart with her partner (one of the dudes, the piano player of Abba - Benny - I can't remember...) - anyway, this culminated in Phil's collaboration of sorts with Frida for her hit album 'Something's Going On' (as I've mentioned earlier, with fellow musicians Daryl Stuermer, Peter Robinson, Mo Foster and others) - a selection of songs written by certain peoples (eg :  Bryan Ferry, Rod Argent, Russ Ballard, PhilCo etc.).  A very decent 'pop' album, nicely executed for the most part.

Anyway, I'm currently up to Heathaze - and I'm really moved.  Ripping bass from Mike, Tony's piano (CP70) has such an ethereal tone to it.  But most of all, a fantastic track.  I did buy my LP sometime in 1988 (jeez, don't I repeat myself (when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress....)) but I am totally blown out currently with it.  I also just gave Yesshows a spin (which I haven't done for many, many years).  Equally impressed here.  Am I just getting old ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:37
from Wiki
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was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:20
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

I'm not wrong, am I, that `Duke' is a concept album? I always assumed it was about a relationship falling apart between two people, the backdrop being the music industry, etc??

No, it is not a concept album, as you mean it, but, rather, an album of linked themes, many of them arising from the martial difficulties of Collins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:23
I'm not wrong, am I, that `Duke' is a concept album? I always assumed it was about a relationship falling apart between two people, the backdrop being the music industry, etc??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:16
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

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Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
Clap  I thought I was the only one. 
lets toast it with a sip of some nice Lager Beer
Heathaze is a very beautiful song, everything is just so well considered and structured.  DUKE may be more 'direct' in its appraoach, but strikes me as quintessential Sympho-Prog for 1980.

Completely agree!! The entire album flows unlike many other 80's albums. Genesis nailed it even towards their poppy-phase. Perfect balance between pop and prog. Not sure if Heathaze is my favorite song on the album, but it's one of them!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:08
Oh, it's all good, my friend, a nice mix of the old with the new....and I'm listening to your old favourite (perhaps literally!) `Space Shanty' at work right now! :)

Now, my ultimate test will be if I can convince you to get that Luccassen solo album I keep banging on about!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:05
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

I think I had a varied intro to Genesis - other than hearing `Nursery Cryme' as my first ever prog-rock album - thanks to the very same Tom Ozric here now! - I next picked up a bundle of second-hand Genesis CD's, which were `Wind and Wuthering', `Duke' and `We Can't Dance', so I kind of feel right from the start I was exposed to the many different eras of Genesis, I was open to all of them, and it's stayed that way ever since!

Genesis is known as one of the most special progressive rock bands of all time for a reason, and I always respected that each album of theirs (whether I totally loved them or not) always sounded completely different to the last - constantly evolving, changing, progressing! I certainly don't outright discredit the 80's stuff onwards.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but you get the point!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:57
I think I had a varied intro to Genesis - other than hearing `Nursery Cryme' as my first ever prog-rock album - thanks to the very same Tom Ozric here now! - I next picked up a bundle of second-hand Genesis CD's, which were `Wind and Wuthering', `Duke' and `We Can't Dance', so I kind of feel right from the start I was exposed to the many different eras of Genesis, I was open to all of them, and it's stayed that way ever since!

Genesis is known as one of the most special progressive rock bands of all time for a reason, and I always respected that each album of theirs (whether I totally loved them or not) always sounded completely different to the last - constantly evolving, changing, progressing! I certainly don't outright discredit the 80's stuff onwards.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but you get the point!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:55
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
Clap  I thought I was the only one. 
lets toast it with a sip of some nice Lager Beer
Heathaze is a very beautiful song, everything is just so well considered and structured.  DUKE may be more 'direct' in its appraoach, but strikes me as quintessential Sympho-Prog for 1980.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:51
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
Genesis should be called 'Next' ??? LOLLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:50
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Duke, to me, is my favorite album from this period.  ATTWT was a weird album by a band that could'nt decide if they could make the transition from prog to mainstream pop, or if they decided, it was not assumed.  On Duke, not only was the change assumed, it was successful.  Abacab has a few great songs and a few clunkers, Genesis is a classic, Invisible Touch has a lot of amazing pop songs on it, We Can't Dance contains THE BEST Genesis songs ever since Hackett left (Fading Lights and Driving the Last Spike) and great pop numbers (No Son of Mine, I Can't Dance, etc...)
As I have previously said, many times, they should probably have changed their name from Genesis to Rutherford Banks Collins when Hackett left, that way they would have antagonized a lot less old fans I believe.
I have to concur - Fading Lights is a BRILLIANT Genesis epic.  Up there with the 70's classics.  I don't know why, but Banks often reminds me of Pete Bardens (or vice versa).  Incredible keyboardist but with purpose(in other words, no unnecessary show-boating).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:44
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Really pleasing to be in a thread appreciating their Duke++++ albums. Also on the whole the enjoyment of their 'popoular' period. Abacab, Mama, Duke all great albums. Some of us grew with the band as it evolved and love almost every minute of it , others left around ATTWT and never came back save to diss their modern stuff on forums like PAWink
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When I was younger - around 1985, my family and I embarked on a journey to Bali, which extended over the years to many of the other exotic islands Indonesia has to offer (Java, Lombok, Sumatra, Borneo, Sulawesi etc.) - to cut a long story short, I was only into Split Enz and The Beach Boys at the time.  I loved the 'We don't need no education' song by some 'mainstream' band.  I bought The Wall on cassette (in Bali - cheap as chips....) - it knocked my 13 year old head off its block.  Following year, I bought up a series of tapes of Pink Floyd, volumes 1 - 10.  I fell in love with Piper, Saucerful etc.  My sister bought Genesis' volumes 14 & a15 (S/T and Invisible Touch).  I was curious, gave them both a listen and was thoroughly impressed with the S/T album, but not so much I.T.  Then I visited the local 2nd-hand record shop - I selected A Trick Of The Tail -.........................................my obsession began.  
Here I am, more than a quarter century later, and still appreciating more and more some things I assumed were only mediocre................hence, my newly found fascination with DUKE.  I think the album is a direct link between impressively creative Prog of the 70's, into a more accessible proto 'Neo' Prog styling.  Although subsequant albums featured only glimpses of Prog, they still have much value.  For me, the weakest is still Invisible Touch, and that's perhaps because of the multi-platinum amount of radio songs that were (and still) thrashed out over the airwaves. 
.............and so it can be said that I'm on a bit of a Genesis bender at the moment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:30
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Doctor, I seem to recall I've got a bootleg somewhere where the band played `It's Gonna Get Better' live with an extended ambient synth intro that was really rather good. Tom Ozric on here could confirm this or not, as I think we heard it together many years ago?

Snow, I promise I'll go in with no preconceived hang-ups about the self-titled album and listen with open ears! I remember I used to dread `Abacab', nowadays I find it a hugely inventive, original and varied album I have a lot of love for!
Yes, Aussie !!  I still have that live Genesis comp. you did for me.  It's Gonna Get Better is much better as an extended piece, and my fave song on side 2 - I got all excited thinking Banks resurrected his old Hammond T organ (my main inspiration behind this thread................(and I only hear it on Duke's Travels......)), but no.......
 Apart from the Cheezy Mexicali accent, this 'Illegal Alien' novelty fares alright with me.  'Just a Job To Do' ............ really ????Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 21:53
Great album, I enjoy it more than ATTWT. Guide Vocal has to be one of the best mini-songs out there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 18:35
It's silly to dismiss good pop. It's a rarity these days anyways. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:18
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:11
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
Clap  I thought I was the only one. 
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