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kenethlevine
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Posted: October 21 2012 at 18:48 |
Dean wrote:
The name "Neo Prog" has historical significance, even if it was seen as derogatory by many. New Prog is (at present) journalistic laziness since non-Prog bands like Elbow, Coldplay, 30 Seconds to Mars and Doves also get tagged with this epithet because they get a bit "diverse" and use string arangements in their productions - the "problem" for me is seperating those bands from those we recognise as being Prog if we subject them to a nebulous categorisation based upon lazy journalism rather than musicological definitions. For me, Melodic Prog would be far to board a category to be of any practical value, since that would encompas too many existing Prog subgenres, such as Symphonic, Crossover, Eclectic, Prog Folk, Electronic and Neo Prog - all of whom have melodic bands in their number. |
good summation Dean. I concur. I would even say neo is not necessarily even the most melodic of these sub genres, and add (which you implied) that RPI, heavy prog, psychedelic/space,Canterbury, and even prog metal can be quite melodic at times. Not sure about RIO/Avant though  It's therefore more like an unrelated way of classifying prog from the system we have designed, and not very useful here, since, from reviews I've read and written, there is much divergence of opinion on what constitututes a melodic song and what doesn't, let alone a group.
Edited by kenethlevine - October 21 2012 at 18:48
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Dean
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Posted: October 13 2012 at 07:23 |
The name "Neo Prog" has historical significance, even if it was seen as derogatory by many. New Prog is (at present) journalistic laziness since non-Prog bands like Elbow, Coldplay, 30 Seconds to Mars and Doves also get tagged with this epithet because they get a bit "diverse" and use string arangements in their productions - the "problem" for me is seperating those bands from those we recognise as being Prog if we subject them to a nebulous categorisation based upon lazy journalism rather than musicological definitions. For me, Melodic Prog would be far to board a category to be of any practical value, since that would encompas too many existing Prog subgenres, such as Symphonic, Crossover, Eclectic, Prog Folk, Electronic and Neo Prog - all of whom have melodic bands in their number.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: October 13 2012 at 06:44 |
firstlensman wrote:
With the advent of "New Prog" (Radiohead, Mars Volta, et. al.), should this site consider changing the name of the category "Neo-Prog" to "Melodic Progressive" in order avoid confusion for new aficionados of Progressive Music?
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Whose gonna confuse either Radiohead or The Mars Volta with Marillion or IQ?
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 18:14 |
Just exclude it altogether
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lucas
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 17:09 |
What is melodic prog ? a mix of prog and AOR ?
I remember once I was in a record store, and I started discussing with someone about Jorn lande's project, Ark. The guy tried to convince me that "progressive" is synonym of "melodic"...
Neo-prog is refering to a scene that arose in the early eighties, you cannot change the label for all the (mainly) british bands of that scene. We will not recreate the wheel, it's as if someone decided that the now-wave scene (Lydia Lunch, DNA, Mars, James Chance...) should be renamed "experimental rock".
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 16:50 |
He is one of those prog snobs that are too good for neo prog.
Edited by rushfan4 - October 12 2012 at 16:50
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aapatsos
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 16:47 |
I don't think the two terms are synonymous so I would say No, although I understand your intention
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 14:06 |
They should change the name of "neo-prog" to "I-Wish-I-Was-Peter-Gabriel-Prog"
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Logan
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 13:19 |
Melodic Prog Rock (or Melodic Prog, though I prefer the former) would be better, since some might
argue that a lot of the music is not really progressive (I use progressive by itself in an adjectival sense). It would still
lead to confusion since, say, Symphonic Prog (which is also a
misleading term) is commonly melodic. So I'd just keep it as is unless
there was a really descriptive title (and that is not intended an invitation to "colourful" (i.e. derogatory) language describing Neo Prog).
I was confused with the
term Neo-Prog about ten years ago as I first thought it equalled something like all Post-classic Prog, but people who don't know the
categorisation Melodic Rock might also be confused. As for New Prog
(aka Nu Prog), I have suggested that as a possible category or designation here before
and practically got flamed for it (I still think it a useful
designation, if not as a category proper, but just generally so).
Edited by Logan - October 12 2012 at 13:23
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firstlensman
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Posted: October 12 2012 at 12:42 |
With the advent of "New Prog" (Radiohead, Mars Volta, et. al.), should this site consider changing the name of the category "Neo-Prog" to "Melodic Progressive" in order avoid confusion for new aficionados of Progressive Music?
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First Lensman
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