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Dean 
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 Posted: January 15 2013 at 06:41 |
 Evolver wrote:
Dean wrote:
ELP always seemed to be better at other peoples' material than their own. |
Masterpieces like "Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9" belie that statement.
Although it was originally recorded by The Nice, ELP sometimes performed Emerson's atrocious cover of "Blue Rondo A La Turk". And "Fanfare For The Common Man" as played by ELP has always been a bore. |
Maybe I'm just thinking of The Barbarian (Allegro Barbaro), Knife Edge (Sinfonietta), Pictures At An Exhibition, Nut Rocker, Hoedown, Jerusalem, Toccata, The Enemy God Dances with the Black Spirits, Peter Gunn, Romeo and Juliet, ... (if we're dragging The Nice into this then America was also performed live by ELP)... and comapring those will all the ELP songs that are not Tarkus and Karn Evil.
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Evolver
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Posted: January 15 2013 at 06:04 |
Dean wrote:
ELP always seemed to be better at other peoples' material than their own. |
Masterpieces like "Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9" belie that statement.
Although it was originally recorded by The Nice, ELP sometimes performed Emerson's atrocious cover of "Blue Rondo A La Turk". And "Fanfare For The Common Man" as played by ELP has always been a bore.
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Dean
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Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:25 |
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ELP always seemed to be better at other peoples' material than their own.
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Gallifrey
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Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:20 |
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I think everyone's forgetting that "influential" and "important" does not necessarily mean good.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:10 |
thellama73 wrote:
It's a well known fact that prog fans have terrible taste in music. 
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 15 2013 at 01:41 |
Four words:too much Keith Emerson 
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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richardh
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Posted: January 15 2013 at 01:37 |
ELP were never a pure prog band like Yes ,Genesis and King Crimson. They had far too much fun and didn't mind doing throw away stuff like Benny The Bouncer. They divide opinion here and they divide opinion everywhere else. Its not a problem and the absence of their albums from the top of the list is no surprise. I'm sure I've said this many times including on this thread. The other point in that they fell off the creative cliff a lot more spectacularly then their contemporaries. While the likes of Yes ,Genesis had a slower death ELP went for the full on car crash of Love Beach. This always made them look even less intelligent and less in control and has perhaps fuelled the negativity towards them.
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themightymasturbator
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 16:28 |
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^You seem to be implying old people have more musical perspective and balance than younger people. I hope you are not seriously suggesting that.
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moodyxadi
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 16:10 |
One thing is dislike and criticize a musician an/or his works. Another - completely different - is trying to rewrite history based in his own preferences. ELP is more important and influent historically than any prog band post-80. That's a fact. Based on this fact, it's more than logical to question why their work is misrepresented in the list.
It's laughable when someone says that old farts feel enraged when music from the 80s onwards seems to outshine the 70's prog works. The 70's were the prog era (if ever was one); those bands were the most influential and create the standards for anything prog-related to be measured. Of course, music never stops but talking about prog rock (a genre that despite its creative flights in the 70s are more characterised by stagnation and more-of-the-sameness when you judge the sound of the "new" bands) is, after all, talking about the music of an era long finished.
Only when you take into consideration the age-factor of this site's audience (what was shown in other topics) you can understand why you have so lame reviews of the real warriors side by side with tears of joy for their pale reflections. It's just the young folks feeling more related to their own times and their natural absence of perspective and balance given by getting old - nothing new under the sun.
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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Dean
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 09:28 |
Evolver wrote:
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
..and ELP gets more stick than most of the classic prog bands. |
I think it's all down to Greg Lake's carpet. |
I hope that doesn't mean what I think it means.  |
Unlikely, but we can't read you mind while you wear that tinfoil hat.
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Evolver
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 09:27 |
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
..and ELP gets more stick than most of the classic prog bands. |
I think it's all down to Greg Lake's carpet. |
I hope that doesn't mean what I think it means.
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chopper
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 09:07 |
Snow Dog wrote:
..and ELP gets more stick than most of the classic prog bands. |
I think it's all down to Greg Lake's carpet.
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Dean
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 09:06 |
 "stick" and "derogatory" comments - Prog Marmite?
Did it get much worse than that?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 09:03 |
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..and ELP gets more stick than most of the classic prog bands.
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 08:56 |
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There is a difference between criticism and the derogatory comments in this thread in the same way as there is between respect and 'glibly accepting everything an artist does is perfect or every artist is beyond reproach'.
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Dean
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 08:10 |
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It confuses and saddens me to read comments sl*g.ing off ELP on a progressive rock site. After all, I do not criticise indie/ emo/ goth music on their sites.
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If independently emotional Goths came here and criticised ELP then I'd find some logic in what you say, but they don't. Of course you don't have to be an independent emotive Goth to criticise Red Lorry Yellow Lorry or The Marcfh Violets, nor would it be considered a sin to do so. The perpencity for fans within a genre to criticise one of their own bands is not unusual nor is it saddening, it is healthier than glibly accepting everything an artist does is perfect or every artist is beyond reproach, or worse still that no dissent is ever permitted so that aslong as one person likes something then no one is allowed to speak out against it.
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 06:33 |
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It confuses and saddens me to read comments sl*g.ing off ELP on a progressive rock site. After all, I do not criticise indie/ emo/ goth music on their sites.
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: October 30 2012 at 15:00 |
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I'm pretty sure Emerson influenced a lot in what concerns prog keyboard playing, by the way..
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richardh
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Posted: October 30 2012 at 14:42 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
I assume the reason their ratings aren't as high is because their albums were usually considered rather inconsistent and patchy. Unlike other prog groups, they didn't really have a 'unified vision'. They were just three guys trying to find common ground and often going in different directions. And apparently few people appreciate all of these directions. |
fair comment
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 20:57 |
Dean wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Ok so Karn evil 9. Not bad. It will take a little more time to grow on me. I will say that the keyboardist, Emerson is freakin incredible. I like his playing the most in the song and that is what stands out for me right now. ;). Doesn't quite blow my head off yet because I'm really into a completely different sound right now, but it'll get there. :) |
I wasn't expecting it to blow your head off. It's part of the lyric:
Come inside, the show's about to startGuaranteed to blow your head apartRest assured you'll get your money's worthThe greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....
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Thank you Deans medal. Your always at the top of your class. 
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