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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 13:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 13:57
Suicide - weed - government....? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 13:50
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

[QUOTE=The T]Government shouldn't be deciding what people can or can't put in their bodies, each person should decide by him/herself.

That's like saying "Let's legalize suicide". It's a person's decision to do the unthinkable, right?
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What is the sentece for suicide these days, how can it be against the law?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 13:14
People who don't respond well to weed usually leave it alone or they wind up talking to the toilet. People who can muster it should be able to know when to take a break. I am not sure where the government has a say here... 

It's dangerous!!!! Nah, maybe if you eat 12 grams in one sitting and then by some strange miraculous feat manage to keep it all in for over an hour without spewing, then we might be talking danger.... Anywho - people should be allowed to do stupid things - as long as it doesn't affect their surroundings. That is what's called natural selection.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 13:04
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Government shouldn't be deciding what people can or can't put in their bodies, each person should decide by him/herself.

That's like saying "Let's legalize suicide". It's a person's decision to do the unthinkable, right?


Yes, exactly. (I can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or not.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 13:01
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

A healthy advice, just as one saying "don't do drugs". But an advice it should remain
Ah, that's just brilliant - the old reverse-psychology switcheroonie double-bluff - tell them to do the exact opposite of what you think they think you don't want them to do.
 
 
...and then pay them $3 an hour to work in an all-night convenience store. Cannabis may not have any lasting effects or be particularly addictive, toxic or dangerous, but stoned potheads are as thick as custard and just as interesting, really, they have the IQ of a house brick before it's been laid.
 
 
oh, btw - don't pick your belly button or your arse will fall off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 12:46
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Government shouldn't be deciding what people can or can't put in their bodies, each person should decide by him/herself.

That's like saying "Let's legalize suicide". It's a person's decision to do the unthinkable, right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 11:26
A healthy advice, just as one saying "don't do drugs". But an advice it should remain
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 11:06

101 THINGS REMOVED FROM THE HUMAN BODY ...plus a sword fish in the eye.

 
best ever quote: "my advice to someone contemplating inserting a rectal foreign body... is to not do it."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 10:31
Government shouldn't be deciding what people can or can't put in their bodies, each person should decide by him/herself. All drugs should be legal. This is the argument for legalization that I support. But, again, there are far more relevant things in the world today than weed legalization (except for potheads of course )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 09:49
I'll probably surprise a few...
 
I don't think it should legalized (too many dangers still, coz many can't handle it), but it should be de-criminalized (subtle difference)...
 
I don't favor selling it (mj) next to alcohol or cigarettes (these should be penalized TongueWink), but not allowing (or criminalizing) one to push their own consumption is only feeding the traffics and crime scenes...
 
 
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 09:42
Here in Washington State it is on the ballot. There are some caveats with the bill though which will influence how people vote. They center around driving a vehicle. Medical marijuana patients are coming out as opposed to the legalization because it would limit their ability to drive. Since Thc is oil based it stays in the system for a long time. In other words........ smoke a joint today and get pulled over two  weeks from now and you would test positive. Until they iron out all the baggage with the bill it might not be the best thing for those who want to smoke it. I think it has a chance of passing but with some bad baggage with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 06:37


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 05:23
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of course it should, and it's full medical potential should be explored in earnest. This may not go down well with the pharma industry though. You can't patent something that grows naturally, as a marketable drug. For this reason clinical trials are few and far between and seldom talked about.
The pharmaceutical industry does this all the time, not just for drugs derived from cannibas (www.gwpharm.com/Sativex.aspx - a cannabis derived cancer treatment that's been approved for 8 years now), but for thousands of drugs derived from naturally growing plants, after all, that is where the pharmaceutical industry came from - extracting "medicine" from plants, not artificially synthesising new wonder drugs from molecular building blocks.
 
...to paraphrase Dara O'Brain's diatribe on herbal medicine (which, from the position you are arguing, that's what cannabis is): "...then we tested it all, and the stuff that worked became 'medicine', and the rest of it is just a nice bowl of soup and some potpourri."
 
(Which isn't strictly true since most plants will kill you as soon as look at you, but why stand in the way of a good witty line).

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:


In any case, marijuana doesn't have to be smoked. It can be drunk and ingested. It can be vapourised, and the THC delievered in steam. As far as I'm aware there have never been any actual proven cases of fatal cannabis overdoes, anywhere in the world. Certainly, where the post mortem concluded 'cannabis overdose' I think it is broadly acknoweldged that habitual smoking of the drug is probably not conducive to improved memory, or the safe operating of machinary or automobiles, and may have a tenuous link to mental health problems in teenagers whose brains are Still developing. But the argument that marijuana should be illegal because of the health implications doesn't stand up. Following that logic, most anti depressant drugs and over the counter painkillers should probably be banned.
That still isn't a case of making it legal in the sense that people are talking of here. Here in the UK there is a sucession of difference between prescription-only medicines, 'behind the counter' medicines, 'over the counter' medicines and grow-your own herbals (feverfew and camomile for example). An example of that is Codeine - as an opiate it is a controlled substance, the legality of codeine is dependant on the strength of the preparation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 05:09
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of course it should, and it's full medical potential should be explored in earnest. This may not go down well with the pharma industry though. You can't patent something that grows naturally, as a marketable drug. For this reason clinical trials are few and far between and seldom talked about.

In any case, marijuana doesn't have to be smoked. It can be drunk and ingested. It can be vapourised, and the THC delievered in steam. As far as I'm aware there have never been any actual proven cases of fatal cannabis overdoes, anywhere in the world. Certainly, where the post mortem concluded 'cannabis overdose' I think it is broadly acknoweldged that habitual smoking of the drug is probably not conducive to improved memory, or the safe operating of machinary or automobiles, and may have a tenuous link to mental health problems in teenagers whose brains are Still developing. But the argument that marijuana should be illegal because of the health implications doesn't stand up. Following that logic, most anti depressant drugs and over the counter painkillers should probably be banned.



Nice post and I think you´re right about the fact that no one has ever overdosed on cannabis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 04:35
Of course it should, and it's full medical potential should be explored in earnest. This may not go down well with the pharma industry though. You can't patent something that grows naturally, as a marketable drug. For this reason clinical trials are few and far between and seldom talked about.

In any case, marijuana doesn't have to be smoked. It can be drunk and ingested. It can be vapourised, and the THC delievered in steam. As far as I'm aware there have never been any actual proven cases of fatal cannabis overdoes, anywhere in the world. Certainly, where the post mortem concluded 'cannabis overdose' I think it is broadly acknoweldged that habitual smoking of the drug is probably not conducive to improved memory, or the safe operating of machinary or automobiles, and may have a tenuous link to mental health problems in teenagers whose brains are Still developing. But the argument that marijuana should be illegal because of the health implications doesn't stand up. Following that logic, most anti depressant drugs and over the counter painkillers should probably be banned.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 02:57
^ Well that's the begged question isn't it if No, then why should marijuana be illegal?   I imagine there are certain stigmas; some untrue (like it stifles one's motivation or it's a 'hippie drug', when in fact many highly motivated, successful straight-laced buy and smoke pot);  some absolutely true (like it causes short-term memory loss);  and some only partly true and irrelevant (such as increased appetite).

What is without doubt is pot's ability to sooth nausea and ease certain kinds of pain, not to mention other benefits for someone suffering from something like cancer, lateral sclerosis, or AIDS.  I am not prepared to deny, either by action or inaction, these people's legal right to buy and smoke marijuana without fear of arrest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 02:21
Yes but we should make alcohol illegal in the processBig smile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 02:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2012 at 02:06
I should vote yes, but after reading all the "arguments" in favour in this thread I voted no.
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