Deep Purple and Jon Lord - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Jon Lord's solo works should be in no question.Bringing Deep Purple in as a band though would then mean Led Zep,Black Sabbath and perhaps even Iron Maiden having a case.Sometime down the road Motley Crue and Anthrax will then be labelled PROG..eeek!

Sorry but to Deep Purple ( to Jon Lord)

Not sure if this topic goes here, but I wanted it to be on the front page. If not appropriate, please remove!

Since I subscribed to progarchives (before then I placed some reviews with the nick "black", as no one cares....) I've been suggesting every now and then to include Jon Lord and Deep Purple in the archives, as I will state my reasons below.

Maybe I'm looking for it in the wrong place

Anyway, this is not just an insistence because I'm a great fan of Deep Purple and Lord (indeed I am), I would hardly rate most of their albums with more than 3 stars. But I believe DP, and prominently their (ex) keyboardist Lord have a strong effect on many prog bands listed here (not to mention their songs covered by DT etc.), and they were among the first ones to play (somehow) experimental music. Some other prog websites include them (in the heavy-prog category, which doesn't exist here... the same should be here, including those like Uriah Heep, Rush, and Kansas...) I even saw their self titled 3rd album in the top 100 canterbury list in Hulloder site (OK, it was among the second top 50, who cares!).

Jon Lord also has very inspiring works, apart from the Concerto, which I believe is the first of its kind (of course, he might be influenced by earlier acts such as Days of Future Passed or suites of The Nice, but as far as I know, no one had ever tried that concept as a whole before). Gemini Suite is also one of the very early examples of combining a rock band and orchestra, and in my copy (which I downloaded from the internet) the pieces are named after the particular instrument which dominates the basic structure.
Then comes Sarabande, one of the first symphonic epics I heard, and I still believe this one goes side by side with Scheherazade, Snow Goose, DoFP, Journey (wakeman), 2112, Brain Salad Surgery, Salisbury etc., and even better than ELP's imitative work Pictures at an Exhibition.
Even in 1982, when most prog acts began to turn pop, Lord delivered a classic-influenced album -including one renaissance-era piece- (which was of course influenced by pop) and at least briefly carried on with prog.

Some might argue that DP lost its prog sensibilities (to say the least) after Machine Head album. Though I believe the 3 albums after Who Do We Think... are somwhow prog, let's accept it and look at the facts: 3 albums before Gillan, 1 concerto, and 3 solid heavy-prog rock masterpieces with Gillan on the front, and one highly appreciated live album. That makes 8. And let's count Genesis' works that are (in general) considerd to be prog: 1 proto-prog album, 5 studio and 1 live album with Gabriel on the front and Collins on drums, and 2 more studio and 1 more live album before Steve Hackett leaves and the band dives into art-pop... That makes 10 and leaves my fave 2 short... and if you just count the post-Blackmore albums -including some superb live sets- (given that DP did nothing really progressive in the '80's, and Genesis did suck all the way up to '90's....) DP beats by several albums. I gave this example because Genesis is the #1 band (according to the address line!) in the archives and considered by many to be a leading figure.

Of course I wasn't to compare DP with Yes or KC! maybe it would be better if I did with Asia, Saga, or Alan Parsons Project, I could come up with more concrete reasons. Now, please make your own comparison and tell if you think this great band, and solo works of its talented keyboardist must be included in the archives or not.

P.S. some DP offshoots are already in the archives, to name two Blackmore's Night and Warhorse. I believe neither cathes up with the musical and originality level DP achieved during early '70's. Also the existence of their current guitarist Steve Morse here should be considered a pro for my case!

Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)

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richardh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28214	Posted: July 19 2005 at 05:37
	Jon Lord's solo works should be in no question.Bringing Deep Purple in as a band though would then mean Led Zep,Black Sabbath and perhaps even Iron Maiden having a case.Sometime down the road Motley Crue and Anthrax will then be labelled PROG..eeek! Sorry but to Deep Purple ( to Jon Lord)

Hammill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 09 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 400	Posted: July 19 2005 at 04:32
	As i have already mentioned i only like deep purple in their first 3 records when they were 100% lord's group. After that evans left (great voice much better than gillan), blackmore became the leader of the group and they lost that psychedelic touch of lord.


Bilek Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484	Posted: July 19 2005 at 04:15
	Not sure if this topic goes here, but I wanted it to be on the front page. If not appropriate, please remove! Since I subscribed to progarchives (before then I placed some reviews with the nick "black", as no one cares....) I've been suggesting every now and then to include Jon Lord and Deep Purple in the archives, as I will state my reasons below. Maybe I'm looking for it in the wrong place Anyway, this is not just an insistence because I'm a great fan of Deep Purple and Lord (indeed I am), I would hardly rate most of their albums with more than 3 stars. But I believe DP, and prominently their (ex) keyboardist Lord have a strong effect on many prog bands listed here (not to mention their songs covered by DT etc.), and they were among the first ones to play (somehow) experimental music. Some other prog websites include them (in the heavy-prog category, which doesn't exist here... the same should be here, including those like Uriah Heep, Rush, and Kansas...) I even saw their self titled 3rd album in the top 100 canterbury list in Hulloder site (OK, it was among the second top 50, who cares!). Jon Lord also has very inspiring works, apart from the Concerto, which I believe is the first of its kind (of course, he might be influenced by earlier acts such as Days of Future Passed or suites of The Nice, but as far as I know, no one had ever tried that concept as a whole before). Gemini Suite is also one of the very early examples of combining a rock band and orchestra, and in my copy (which I downloaded from the internet) the pieces are named after the particular instrument which dominates the basic structure. Then comes Sarabande, one of the first symphonic epics I heard, and I still believe this one goes side by side with Scheherazade, Snow Goose, DoFP, Journey (wakeman), 2112, Brain Salad Surgery, Salisbury etc., and even better than ELP's imitative work Pictures at an Exhibition. Even in 1982, when most prog acts began to turn pop, Lord delivered a classic-influenced album -including one renaissance-era piece- (which was of course influenced by pop) and at least briefly carried on with prog. Some might argue that DP lost its prog sensibilities (to say the least) after Machine Head album. Though I believe the 3 albums after Who Do We Think... are somwhow prog, let's accept it and look at the facts: 3 albums before Gillan, 1 concerto, and 3 solid heavy-prog rock masterpieces with Gillan on the front, and one highly appreciated live album. That makes 8. And let's count Genesis' works that are (in general) considerd to be prog: 1 proto-prog album, 5 studio and 1 live album with Gabriel on the front and Collins on drums, and 2 more studio and 1 more live album before Steve Hackett leaves and the band dives into art-pop... That makes 10 and leaves my fave 2 short... and if you just count the post-Blackmore albums -including some superb live sets- (given that DP did nothing really progressive in the '80's, and Genesis did suck all the way up to '90's....) DP beats by several albums. I gave this example because Genesis is the #1 band (according to the address line!) in the archives and considered by many to be a leading figure. Of course I wasn't to compare DP with Yes or KC! maybe it would be better if I did with Asia, Saga, or Alan Parsons Project, I could come up with more concrete reasons. Now, please make your own comparison and tell if you think this great band, and solo works of its talented keyboardist must be included in the archives or not. P.S. some DP offshoots are already in the archives, to name two Blackmore's Night and Warhorse. I believe neither cathes up with the musical and originality level DP achieved during early '70's. Also the existence of their current guitarist Steve Morse here should be considered a pro for my case!
	Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)