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The Truth 
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 Posted: July 11 2012 at 00:47 |
 KingCrInuYasha wrote:
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The closest they got to prog was actually White Light / White Heat and we shouldn't worry about opening the floodgates for other acts that clearly aren't as influential as the Velvet Underground was.
Proto-prog would be an excellent fit.
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You got me with the latter, but the former I have to disagree with just a bit. With VU & Nico, about half that album is proggish - specifically, "Venus In Furs", "Heroin", "All Tomorrow Parties", "The Black Angel's Death Song" and "European Son".
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Apart from the title track and possibly "Lady Godiva's Operation" isn't all of White Light / White Heat pretty dang progressive? 
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 22:20 |
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Well, I'm against their inclusion. Great band? Yes. Innovative as hell? Yes. Massively influential? Again, yes. But they are not prog, they are closer to punk.
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That's why proto-prog is a better fit.
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I just don't think that everything experimental is automatically related to prog, proto or otherwise.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 21:57 |
The Truth wrote:
The closest they got to prog was actually White Light / White Heat and we shouldn't worry about opening the floodgates for other acts that clearly aren't as influential as the Velvet Underground was.
Proto-prog would be an excellent fit.
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You got me with the latter, but the former I have to disagree with just a bit. With VU & Nico, about half that album is proggish - specifically, "Venus In Furs", "Heroin", "All Tomorrow Parties", "The Black Angel's Death Song" and "European Son".
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:18 |
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Well, I'm against their inclusion. Great band? Yes. Innovative as hell? Yes. Massively influential? Again, yes. But they are not prog, they are closer to punk.
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That's why proto-prog is a better fit.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:02 |
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Well, I'm against their inclusion. Great band? Yes. Innovative as hell? Yes. Massively influential? Again, yes. But they are not prog, they are closer to punk.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:01 |
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Oh but I haven't got the time time...
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:55 |
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I think they would make for a fine inclusion actually. Allright I am a huge fan, but the way The Velvets approached music - their ability to weave strange instrumentation into the tunes(Nobody had ever used a viola like that - before Venus in Furs!!) - the whole notion of connecting music with art and a 'Factory* of imaginative skills seeking to highlight the best and most interesting of different subcultures - all of that is greatly infused in the music. Proto prog is a pretty good description - not only philosophically but also musically, as they clearly paved the way for a large number of bands already featured on this site. |
Couldn't agree more!
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:54 |
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Hate to say it, but I doubt they'll be included anytime soon. The Velvet Underground & Nico is probably the most prog based of their works, but after that, those characteristics drop considerably. White Light/White Heat could be considered prog if looked through the lens of works like The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn (Pink Floyd), The Soft Machine (The Soft Machine), and Trout Mask Replica (Captain Beefheart), but that's pushing it and the last two albums (The Velvet Underground and Loaded) sound more like something from an indie band a la The Modern Lovers.
Admittedly, it is possible to list the Velvet Underground as progressive rock, but by including them, it risks opening the floodgates for other acts like The Red Krayola or Pere Ubu, who have even less to do with what most associate with prog.
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The closest they got to prog was actually White Light / White Heat and we shouldn't worry about opening the floodgates for other acts that clearly aren't as influential as the Velvet Underground was. Proto-prog would be an excellent fit.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:48 |
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I think they would make for a fine inclusion actually. Allright I am a huge fan, but the way The Velvets approached music - their ability to weave strange instrumentation into the tunes(Nobody had ever used a viola like that - before Venus in Furs!!) - the whole notion of connecting music with art and a 'Factory* of imaginative skills seeking to highlight the best and most interesting of different subcultures - all of that is greatly infused in the music. Proto prog is a pretty good description - not only philosophically but also musically, as they clearly paved the way for a large number of bands already featured on this site.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:40 |
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Hate to say it, but I doubt they'll be included anytime soon. The Velvet Underground & Nico is probably the most prog based of their works, but after that, those characteristics drop considerably. White Light/White Heat could be considered prog if looked through the lens of works like The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn (Pink Floyd), The Soft Machine (The Soft Machine), and Trout Mask Replica (Captain Beefheart), but that's pushing it and the last two albums (The Velvet Underground and Loaded) sound more like something from an indie band a la The Modern Lovers.
Admittedly, it is possible to list the Velvet Underground as progressive rock, but by including them, it risks opening the floodgates for other acts like The Red Krayola or Pere Ubu, who have even less to do with what most associate with prog.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 13:56 |
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Their name has been mentioned quite often in relation to proto-prog, by my humble person as well. I think their first three albums are really progressive (especially the first in 1966's context).
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 13:53 |
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I'd say yes to proto prog, their long improv jams were vital to the progression of progressive rock and they really were very experimental and influential.
10 bucks says they won't be added though.
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 12:53 |
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I searched but couldn't find any thread about the Velvet Underground. Is there a reason they haven't been included in the past under proto-prog or prog-related? They're just as "art rock" as David Bowie and definitely more experimental.
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