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Daysbetween 
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Joined: November 12 2006 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 1036 |
 Posted: August 26 2012 at 05:58 |
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Like them both a great deal and neither feel overly long to me. Achille's Last Stand just by a nose gets my vote.
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Kashmir75
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Joined: June 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1029 |
Posted: August 26 2012 at 05:23 |
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The one in my username, but Achilles is excellent as well. Both are among my favourite songs (by one of my favourite bands)
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Meta
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Joined: August 22 2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: August 26 2012 at 01:01 |
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Kashmir is awesome, probably Zep's best song overall. Monster riffs, monster drums, great atmosphere.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Joined: September 26 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1281 |
Posted: August 14 2012 at 20:47 |
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"Kashmir", hands down. Very modern sounding for 1975.
Not that "Achilles" is a bad song. I love the drive of the main section and that eerie guitar work at the beginning and end. |
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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zappaholic
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Joined: March 24 2006 Location: flyover country Status: Offline Points: 2822 |
Posted: July 01 2012 at 09:40 |
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Gonna go with "Kashmir", despite its being overplayed. *hides from thrown bricks*
I remember reading somewhere once that Page considered "Stairway To Heaven", "Ten Years Gone" and "Achilles Last Stand" a trilogy - had more to do with chord progressions than lyrical content. Can anyone confirm or am I full of it? |
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Eria Tarka
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Joined: December 17 2011 Location: BC, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5856 |
Posted: July 01 2012 at 04:29 |
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Achilles', easy
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deliriumofthethrush
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Joined: May 10 2012 Location: Vermont Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: June 20 2012 at 17:07 |
Glad someone said it already! This is definitely Zeppelin at their finest when it comes to epics. Kashmir definitely comes last for me - you can just hear it Bonham, the simple beat is completely unlike him. Yes, it works, but he's bored and not compelled to fill the song out with unheard catchy grooves like he normally would. |
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Glucose
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Joined: June 16 2012 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 160 |
Posted: June 20 2012 at 13:51 |
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In the Light is so beautiful :)
Achilles for me better, it has a specias atmosphere. |
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Under the rocks and stones,
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28107 |
Posted: June 08 2012 at 01:08 |
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Lord Anon
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Joined: April 04 2012 Location: Essex, England Status: Offline Points: 27 |
Posted: June 07 2012 at 16:50 |
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JOHN 15:18 : Jesus said: -"if the world hates you, remember that it hated me first." 
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clarkpegasus4001
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Joined: January 13 2011 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 635 |
Posted: May 31 2012 at 00:48 |
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Achilles is my fave Zep track so i've gone for that, however when I watched them at Knebworth 79, Kashmir was my fave track on the day.
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nima1024
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Joined: September 11 2011 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 37 |
Posted: May 30 2012 at 14:33 |
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Both are nice track, but I will go for Kashmir.
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bloodsucker
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Joined: June 02 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 93 |
Posted: May 30 2012 at 13:11 |
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'Kashmir' sounds more mysterious but 'Achilles' has that nice galloping bass line and excessive guitar parts, really powerful drums.
Still have to go with 'Kashmir'. Love the orchestral feel and down-tempo beat. Still can't vote in polls though! |
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resurrection
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Joined: August 08 2010 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 254 |
Posted: May 27 2012 at 00:58 |
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Kashmir by a long way for me, it's so clever, un-Zep like!
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
Posted: May 23 2012 at 09:35 |
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It's 6/4 over 4/4, not 5/4 over 4/4.
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deafmoon
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Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 462 |
Posted: May 23 2012 at 08:10 |
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The real beauty of Kashmir is that Jimmy wrote the Morroccan influenced song in an odd time sig of 5/4...but Bonham plays the tune in 4/4. A bombastic drive that repeats back to one every 5th grouping. It is really odd to break it down when counting it, but works beatifully to listen to in it's entirety. That said though, Achilles is a monster all it's own and I have to say I am partial to it.
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65268 |
Posted: May 20 2012 at 21:41 |
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What's amazing is that they actually played ALS in concert almost every night on the '77 tour (and again in '79 for Knebworth I think). Though it often was a mess, they had the balls to perform such a difficult, physically demanding (I worked the piece out and performed it once with a band, it's a killer) and lengthy piece in front of huge audiences is a testament to their courage and skill as a band.
Hard choice, it's a matter of musical taste. I'll vote with Achilles. |
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Dellinger
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VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12732 |
Posted: May 20 2012 at 21:14 |
Perhaps it would be interesting for you to hear the live version presented by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant on their "Unledded, No Quarter" album (some sort of "Unplugged"), that one doesn't repeat the main melody so much. As a matter of fact, it begins very quietley for a few minutes, only with the vocals and soft instruments, and then starts with the main melody, and so on. |
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 20 2012 at 21:11 |
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Two of my favourite Zeppeling songs, along with Stairway to Heaven, and No Quarter. Somehow I feel like voting for Achilles, but I could just as well have voted the other way.
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The Dark Elf
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13065 |
Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:15 |
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Kashmir. I love both songs, but I think Kashmir has more of a sweep and grandeur. Great drums on Achilles though.
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Led Zeppelin - Kashmir vs Achilles' Last Stand
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