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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 12:24
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

People didn't evolve from apes.


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I'm guessing I know what Pat was getting at... However, rather than guess that you're not thinking the same thing, would you care to enlighten us?
 
I don't believe in macro-evolution.  I accept micro-evolution (change within kinds) as a scientific fact, but don't think that one kind can change into another.  I'm a creationist, so I draw this opinion from Scripture and I am convinced that science supports it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 09:02
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

No, no, no. Neanderthal is practically human. I'm talking about a different line that split from Australopithecus

You showed Homo erectus in the post I responded to, who are thought to share a lineage with modern man (as Homo ergaster), so were not necessarily a separate offshoot from Australopithecus. Homo erectus died out 1.8 million years ago, long before Homo sapiens emerged as a separate species and Homo ergaster is a common ancestor of Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalenis, unfortunately the evidence is sparse so everything is informed speculation and supposition as to whether Homo erectus was Homo ergaster (with racial differences) or they were subspieces.
 
However, Homo neanderthalenis were an offshoot that did co-exist with homo sapiens (as Cro-magnon - a racial difference not a species difference) and may have interbred (ie were a subspecies)


my mistake for showing Homo Erectus, I just like its accomplishments. It was unrelated to comment about robust hominins, which are a interesting but primitive life form compared to any of our immediate ancestors (though they would be possibly the most advanced one besides us if they were alive today). They merely illustrate that evolution isn't just monodirectional, if I can use that word.

It seems that research is showing that the evolutionary process was incredibly fluid.

Also, I believe its been said that the strange hobbit fossils (exhibiting Island dwarfism) were evidence that Homo Erectus' line continued into human history independently of us.


*** oh and I guess I should acknowledge that indeed Erectus and Sapiens are on the same line from Lucy. All the Hominids are on the same line from the later periods of hominid history, I believe. It seems likely that the Neaderthals and Humans could have interbred, but we won't be able to know until we try it. We were different species, and the slightest thing can lead to sterile offspring, even if we got that far. Consider the mule. However, we looked very remarkably similar, and some say that they can detect their DNA relics in our own DNA.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 09:00
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I would be very interested in hearing some extreme metal where the vocalist emulates a cow.
 
 
This is a metal band with an avian voclaist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 06:18
The female Avis sapiens would not think of using curling tongs for her feathers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 05:48
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

No, no, no. Neanderthal is practically human. I'm talking about a different line that split from Australopithecus

You showed Homo erectus in the post I responded to, who are thought to share a lineage with modern man (as Homo ergaster), so were not necessarily a separate offshoot from Australopithecus. Homo erectus died out 1.8 million years ago, long before Homo sapiens emerged as a separate species and Homo ergaster is a common ancestor of Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalenis, unfortunately the evidence is sparse so everything is informed speculation and supposition as to whether Homo erectus was Homo ergaster (with racial differences) or they were subspieces.
 
However, Homo neanderthalenis were an offshoot that did co-exist with homo sapiens (as Cro-magnon - a racial difference not a species difference) and may have interbred (ie were a subspecies)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 05:18
according to Tray Parker and Matt Stone, evidence of crab-people is quite possible and should not be negelected as pure myth

and have you ever observed corvids (crow, raven, magpies, nutcrackers, jays, rays,) they are said to be after humans, the second most intelegent species after the three great apers (Sjimpansee, Gorilla and Orangutang), Cetacean, and Corvidea

so maybe a Crow species, evolve to a bird-people like being
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also pinguens man, pinguins, thye look like people with beaks,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 05:08
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As for Neaderthals, they were just as evolved as Cro-Magnon. They were an alternate set of humans, a rival species or at least a distinct species who had got into Europe earlier than the Cro-Magnon/Homosapiens, unfortunately, something terrible happened to them. Maybe things would be better if they had persevered.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:54
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:


Have you ever looked up the robust offshoots? They evolved in the opposite direction, toward thicker skulls, heavier jaws. better ability to eat raw food, stupider brains. They coexisted with the upward-rising hominids for millions of years, but eventually died out.
Neanderthals (last known non Homo Sapien hominid) had larger brain volume than modern man, it just developed and worked differently, which does not make them more stupid, just different, they were as smart as we are but had different skill-sets. There is also evidence that they cooked their food and ate vegetables, revered the dead (ceremonial burial) and appreciated aesthetics (wore jewellery).


No, no, no. Neanderthal is practically human. I'm talking about a different line that split from Australopithecus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranthropus_robustus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranthropus








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:48
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:


Have you ever looked up the robust offshoots? They evolved in the opposite direction, toward thicker skulls, heavier jaws. better ability to eat raw food, stupider brains. They coexisted with the upward-rising hominids for millions of years, but eventually died out.
Neanderthals (last known non Homo Sapien hominid) had larger brain volume than modern man, it just developed and worked differently, which does not make them more stupid, just different, they were as smart as we are but had different skill-sets. There is also evidence that they cooked their food and ate vegetables, revered the dead (ceremonial burial) and appreciated aesthetics (wore jewellery).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:42
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Moreau. Geek


LOL I've just taken 4 months of U.S. Diplomacy.

The Monroe/Moreau Doctrine.... LOL

The only thing disappointing about the novel is I expected the puma-woman to make out with the main character as per the movies, but this turned out to be a vulgar addition by the movies.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:39
I would be very interested in hearing some extreme metal where the vocalist emulates a cow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:32
Island of Dr. Moreau anybody?

Great novel, scary as hell.

As for humans evolving, we did not evolve from apes, but ape like creatures from which both we and apes originate. Creatures with a lot more genetic potential than that of modern apes, by the way, and more human like features.

Have you ever looked up the robust offshoots? They evolved in the opposite direction, toward thicker skulls, heavier jaws. better ability to eat raw food, stupider brains. They coexisted with the upward-rising hominids for millions of years, but eventually died out.

Fascinating subject.

 
Homo Erectus , close predecessor. Very tall and athletic hominid, mastered fire and traveled the world.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 03:32
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Anyway,
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

People didn't evolve from apes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2012 at 23:07
If people had evolved from birds, music would be quite different.  Today, extreme metal artists use harsh vocals in their music that imitate the grunting sound of apes.  If we were bird people, our harsh vocals would imitate the sound of bird chirping instead, most likely the caw of a crow.
 
Anyway,
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

People didn't evolve from apes.


Yup.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2012 at 22:07
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:



One of the lingering debates is whether we are purely CroMagnon or if there are traces of Neanderthal in our genes.  



 There are traces of Neanderthal here in PA. :)


Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

 
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Taking part in this, makes me think i might be stoned, even though im clear as running water


 Clearly stoned :)  J/k , no offense meant.


 As for bird people eating eggs of other species.... sure. We eat babies of other species, why wouldn't they?
 Also, there would be no technology unless the progenitor species was corvine.
 Eggophiles is a funny thought. I picture a bird person beggar in a pose like JT's Aqualung cover except  instead of having his hand in his sleeve he's petting an egg.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2012 at 20:42
Well if this thread is gonna go anywhere we might as well discuss Pat's claim that we didn't evolve from apes, which is likely quite correct.   Man appears to have "evolved" as a species of hominid parallel to the apes, as nature test-drove numerous upright omnivore designs that came and went.

One of the lingering debates is whether we are purely CroMagnon or if there are traces of Neanderthal in our genes.   Another question suggested by the 'We didn't evolve from apes' theory is whether evolution itself exists in the way it's been established and we imagine it.   Do species really come directly but slowly from other closely related species, or are there countless little anatomic designs that are only connected in the sense that Earthly entities require certain similar features?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2012 at 19:32
I was born of a divine being. All of your apes and birds evolution theories are asinine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2012 at 19:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2012 at 18:55
I think airline fares would probably go down a bit.

btw, I like your gumption, Smurph.  You ask the hard questions that need to be asked.


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