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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative  ...


That's just absurd.It weren't innovative if they mimicked previous bands which isn't true.
Maybe you should define this two words:
1.pop
2.innovation 

However you're somehow right about the lyric. 


p.s As you're in PA for a long time, you've certainly said that before so it may be repetitive for you, why don't you just tell the gist of your thoughts to explain how do you really see prog and what do you expect from a prog song?Wacko
 


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek

Side 1 of Foxtrot.

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McLaughlin is a better player, but Fripp is more original (not that McLaughlin isn't).
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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good.

So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop.


Chords with vocals? Ha, you're funny, I like you. Hug

err... thanks.


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good.

So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop.


Chords with vocals? Ha, you're funny, I like you. Hug
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It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good.

So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop.


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek

Side 1 of Foxtrot.


If Get Em' Out By Friday is pop, geez, PA "got it bad, got it bad" quoting Van Halen. Tongue
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Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek

Side 1 of Foxtrot.


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek
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I do enjoy MO and KC but 
neither of these would make my top 10 guitarists
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Originally posted by ninestonesclose ninestonesclose wrote:

You can't compare these two like for like... sorry.... both equally brilliant and totally different. Love them both.

Agreed. They're both amazingly good, and quite different in style, technique, ability, etc. I can't choose on this one.
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Two virtuosos. Both composers. McLaughlin is the better virtuoso, Fripp the better composer. I value composition above anything else in music, so.... Fripp.

In fact, I can't think of a more skilled guitarist than John McLaughlin, and Fripp's writing is not only unique, but some of the best works to come out of the 20th century, in my opinion. I'm looking at the 'Larks' era........ changing the form of what we call 'rock' music, rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).


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Fripp has admitted he was so heavily influenced by the Mahavishnu Orchestra to the point that he stopped listening to them so as not to become seduced by the sound. 
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Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Technically speaking McLaughlin. I'm not considering the composing skill.
I assume he meant technically (as I choose McLaughlin too), but if composing were the case then the poll made no sense.
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Fripp has done some superb subtle work, unique sounds and some powerful stuff as well. But John has mindblowed my mind more times, either with Lifetime, Davis, The Orchetra or solo.

That, of course, if speaking solely as guitarists and not composers.
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Mclaughin as a guitar player. Fripp has better compositions methinks tho
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Both are in my top 10 for guitar players but I'm of course going to with Fripp on this one. I just enjoy his style and sound better.
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Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Robert, (against anyone)
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