Re:London Underground

James Lee wrote: Scientists have shown that sharks are relatively intelligent and can learn at a rate similar to that of rats and birds.

woooh, that's fast, I hope one day to learn as fast as they do

I wanted to work in a laboratory when I was younger, but even rats make more chances of getting inside one

Maani quoted: Thank you also for bringing up the unhealthy relationship between the House of Bush and the House of Saud. And while it is true that other president's "cozied up" to Saudi Arabia, that was strictly "politics." In the case of Bush, it is politics and money. I wonder how many people here know of the Carlyle Group, and the financial relationship not only between the Bushes and the Saudis, but also the Bushes and the bin Laden family. As an aside, The Carlyle Group has been quietly buying up large swaths of land in and around Manhattan, using "partners" to do the actual buying. Soon they will own a large portion of the wealthiest city in the world. Scary.

Mark: Let's also consider that George Soros (and we all know who he is) is part of the Carlyle Group as well. Check your records. So it's not just narrowed down to one party. You know it seems that if you have any oil connection, you're automatically labeled as evil these days. All I really hear from the left is nothing but speculation and conjecture brought on by fear and emotionalism. No logic, no facts. We've gone from Lee Harvey Oswald to 4 gunmen. Anybody remember Joe Kennedy and his ties to the Nazis? When does the paranioa stop? Thank you.


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Hangedman:

"Its like saying all christians are evil and murderous becuase most nazis were christian."

Not quite.  Most Nazis were atheists.  Indeed, it is dangerously inflammatory historical revisionism to believe that Hitler et al were (actively) Christian, and particularly that it was their Christian faith that led to the attempted extermination of the Jews.

Hitler's attempt to create a "master race" was not about religion, it was about bloodlines.  The "aryans" are not a religion, but a bloodline.  And not all aryans are (or were) Christian.  Indeed, Hitler was an equal opportunity hater when it came to religion.  In fact, he planned to go after Christianity as soon as he exterminated the Jews.  In 1933, he stated as follows: "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity, because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.  One is either a Christian or a German.  You can't be both."

In one instance, for example, out of 690 parish priests in West Prussia, over two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing their parishes.  After a month's imprisonment, no less than 214 of those priests were executed.  By the end of 1940, only twenty priests were left in their parishes in all of West Prussia.

Syzygy:

Thank you for this: "The terrorists of Al-Qaeda are no more representative of the rank and file of the Muslim faith (which is as multi faceted as Christianity) than the IRA were of Catholicism or Timothy McVeigh was of North American protestantism. An important step towards dealing with the threat is to end the elision of terror and Islam. London is a truly multicultural city with a huge muslim population which has reacted with possibly even more horror than the population at large, precisely because they fear unjustified reprisals from moronic bigots (sadly, there is evidence of this happening already). Muslims are members of the emergency services who coped so brilliantly with the crisis, work in the hospitals which are caring for the wounded and work and travel on the transport system which was the target of these extremists. The majority of the muslims I work with every day came to the UK to ecape repressive regimes run by the kind of fanatics who are behind Al Qaeda."

Have you seen the film "The Siege?"  If so, it seems the Doctor and NetsNJFan are hoping to see life imitate art re the treatment of Muslims in that film.

Thank you also for bringing up the unhealthy relationship between the House of Bush and the House of Saud.  And while it is true that other president's "cozied up" to Saudi Arabia, that was strictly "politics."  In the case of Bush, it is politics and money.  I wonder how many people here know of the Carlyle Group, and the financial relationship not only between the Bushes and the Saudis, but also the Bushes and the bin Laden family.  As an aside, The Carlyle Group has been quietly buying up large swaths of land in and around Manhattan, using "partners" to do the actual buying.  Soon they will own a large portion of the wealthiest city in the world.  Scary.

James:

You said: "Saudi Arabia's oil supply is actually dwindling, and nobody else has enough to make up the difference once they can no longer match increasing demand. Add to this the dangers of pollution and the volatility of the Middle East and you have an overwhelming and clear argument to steer away from a petroleum dependance...yet every move that the US government and industry makes is to continue or deepen our dependance."

Indeed.  Is anyone aware of the recent opening of an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea?  It is the first of many planned pipelines to bring the world's largest untapped oil and natural gas reserves out of the Caspian basin and into...American oil company hands.  It runs from Azerbijian to Turkey through, among others, Iran.   However, almost all the other pipelines are dependent upon being able to go through a single country: Afghanistan.  Is a picture forming yet?

For more info on this, see:

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2005/05/24/ap2051666.htm l

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/caspian.html

http://www.newhumanist.com/oil.html

Also, for a list of some of the planned pipelines, and the countries and companies involved, see:

http://www.projfinlaw.com/transactions/transactions.asp?file =oil.htm

marktheshark wrote: Hangedman wrote: marktheshark wrote: Everytime it's the same crap from the environmentists nut cases: "You can't drill in Anwar. What about the cute furry animals?" Not that it matters that we built an entire pipeline in Alaska and the Caraboo population actually increased 'cause of the heat generated from it. It basically comes down to the same people who are against this war are also against any practical solutions. right because life only matters if its white, christian, and speaks english. and us liberals dont want practicality we want perfection Since when do you care about life? You don't seem to have any problem about a fetus being killed whether it's BLACK, MUSLIM AND SPEAKS ARABIC! You know, I can't really understand why you libs are so against the war on terror. After all, we're pushing for the right for an Arab woman to choose to do what she wants to do with own body. You should be on our side, don't you think? Heh-Heh!

Alright! My buddy Synth. Where've you been guy?!

Hangedman wrote: marktheshark wrote: Everytime it's the same crap from the environmentists nut cases: "You can't drill in Anwar. What about the cute furry animals?" Not that it matters that we built an entire pipeline in Alaska and the Caraboo population actually increased 'cause of the heat generated from it. It basically comes down to the same people who are against this war are also against any practical solutions. right because life only matters if its white, christian, and speaks english. and us liberals dont want practicality we want perfection

Since when do you care about life? You don't seem to have any problem about a fetus being killed whether it's BLACK, MUSLIM AND SPEAKS ARABIC! You know, I can't really understand why you libs are so against the war on terror. After all, we're pushing for the right for an Arab woman to choose to do what she wants to do with own body. You should be on our side, don't you think? Heh-Heh!


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gdub411 wrote: James Lee wrote: ^ no there isn't! Saudi Arabia's oil supply is actually dwindling, and nobody else has enough to make up the difference once they can no longer match increasing demand. Add to this the dangers of pollution and the volatility of the Middle East and you have an overwhelming and clear argument to steer away from a petroleum dependance...yet every move that the US government and industry makes is to continue or deepen our dependance.We lost our chance with the WTC memorial, but there's still time for the forthcoming London Underground Memorial inscription to read: "Enjoy Your SUV". I drive a Hyundai Elantra...I am such an energy conservationist. Actually I am glad I drive my car as I can go 2 weeks without filling up. i get good gas milage therefore I am not forced to pay enormous prices for gas...yet. My next purchase is going to be the smallest, most fuel efficient car I can get my hands on. I am such a cheapskate. I do not know how the majority of the population can afford to drive SUVs.

Do you buy CDs? Do you buy clothes, food, furniture, appliances? If you do, guess what, they're transported by gas-guzzling trucks. Finding an alternative fuel for this is fine, but it better be able to propel a semi-tractor trailor instead of just a hybrid!

James Lee wrote: ^ no there isn't! Saudi Arabia's oil supply is actually dwindling, and nobody else has enough to make up the difference once they can no longer match increasing demand. Add to this the dangers of pollution and the volatility of the Middle East and you have an overwhelming and clear argument to steer away from a petroleum dependance...yet every move that the US government and industry makes is to continue or deepen our dependance. We lost our chance with the WTC memorial, but there's still time for the forthcoming London Underground Memorial inscription to read: "Enjoy Your SUV".

I drive a Hyundai Elantra...I am such an energy conservationist.

Actually I am glad I drive my car as I can go 2 weeks without filling up. i get good gas milage therefore I am not forced to pay enormous prices for gas...yet.

My next purchase is going to be the smallest, most fuel efficient car I can get my hands on. I am such a cheapskate.

I do not know how the majority of the population can afford to drive SUVs.

^ no there isn't! Saudi Arabia's oil supply is actually dwindling, and nobody else has enough to make up the difference once they can no longer match increasing demand. Add to this the dangers of pollution and the volatility of the Middle East and you have an overwhelming and clear argument to steer away from a petroleum dependance...yet every move that the US government and industry makes is to continue or deepen our dependance.

We lost our chance with the WTC memorial, but there's still time for the forthcoming London Underground Memorial inscription to read: "Enjoy Your SUV".

The Doctor wrote: Damn.  With all the vitriol coming my way for expressing my opinion, you'd think I was the one who bombed the london underground.  I guess we all believe in rights and freedoms as long as they are politically correct enough for the ultra-left.  By the way Mark, we did do that to the Japanese in the 40's.  They got over it.

Not after the war we didn't! The Japanese went after us as a nation. Al Qaida is not a nation or a society. Just a group of fanatical cut-throats.

NetsNJFan wrote: ^ I happen to agree with the Dr. on this.  On domestic policy I am pretty liberal, but as far as foreign poilicy and America's relation with the Arab Nations, I'm all for seperation.  After all, that's what they want, us to stop meddling in their affairs.  I'd be more than happy to leave them to their ultra oppressive Muslim-fanatic regimes.

If you did that, what would you put in the fuel tank of your car?

You might also want to look at the decades old relationship between the house of Bush and the house of Saud. The royal families of the USA (it's a rhetorical device called irony) and Saudi Arabia are far too closely intertwined for the separation you dream of to happen.