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tamijo 
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 Posted: January 06 2012 at 12:25 |
 progistoomainstream wrote:
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Gabriel's Genesis inspired glam rock? |
Answer: Partially
Reason: David Bowie was already popular when Genesis had Peter Gabriel prancing aroung in "The Fox on the Rocks" costume. My opinion is that glam rock had its basis in the Beatles Sgt.Pepper and was adapted by many other bands (including Genesis and David Bowie). |
Actualy loads of glam artists was going strong at the time of Foxtrot.
T.REX, Bowie, Sweet, Slade, Roxy Music.
Its more likely that they tought Gabriel about stage dressing, than the other way around, what he did was taking it a few steps further, making a theatrical preformance grounded in his lyrics, not just dressing up
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Posted: January 06 2012 at 12:13 |
progistoomainstream wrote:
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BTW whether you rate at that highly is unimportant. I hardly ever listen to it and would probably rate it at 3 stars but thats still beside the point. Its what was pulled together and the fact thats its an artistic statement thats important. |
Thank you for not over-glorifying it. I really do not get how every year it is #1 on the Rolling Stone best albums list. |
Sometimes with art, the critics are cought in the tradition, Mona Lisa, Mozart, Sct. Pepper.
Nobody dares to say in print, that they are not top of the top's. No matter that loads of people are actualy more into
Picasso, Bethoven, Pink Floyd.
NB:Im not saying they are better, its just as examples.
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progistoomainstream
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Posted: January 06 2012 at 12:07 |
richardh wrote:
BTW whether you rate at that highly is unimportant. I hardly ever listen to it and would probably rate it at 3 stars but thats still beside the point. Its what was pulled together and the fact thats its an artistic statement thats important. |
Thank you for not over-glorifying it. I really do not get how every year it is #1 on the Rolling Stone best albums list.
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Posted: January 06 2012 at 03:13 |
^ Three stars eh? This statement that pulled together a lot of the elements we recognise as Prog is good but not essential? Why then do so many independent thinkers in the music press place the critter at number one in practically every poll that has ever been published since the dawn of time? Answer: It's simply the most well known and polished example of a flux of influences that were the Zeitgeist of the late 60's. Sgt Pepper is clearly a pivotal statement in the development of popular music of any genre but it's tiresome to read it equated as tantamount to the primordial soup from which Prog slithered out of. The only song structures on the album that depart from the tried and tested tin pan ally format are Kite, Within You (which sucks IMO) and Day in the Life. The rhythms are at best plain vanilla rock plod and there is not a trace of jazz chromaticism/improvisation or classical music anywhere. R'n'B, jazz, classical and pop are the core ingredients of the 1st generation proggers. Don't confuse the starter with the main course 
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Posted: January 06 2012 at 02:17 |
Sgt Peppers did pull together a lot of the elements that we recognise as prog. It was a statement which is the point that many seem to overlook. Most of the other albums by bands at the time were experimental. The Beatles were no longer experimenting. The idea that journalists have been 'brainwashed' into voting for it is a load of hogwash. When asked, many leading prog musicians such as Bob Fripp ,Greg Lake ,Ian Anderson etc name Sgt Peppers as the most important album release of the sixties.
BTW whether you rate at that highly is unimportant. I hardly ever listen to it and would probably rate it at 3 stars but thats still beside the point. Its what was pulled together and the fact thats its an artistic statement thats important.
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progistoomainstream
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Posted: January 05 2012 at 12:24 |
Horizons wrote:
Gabriel's Genesis inspired glam rock? |
Answer: Partially Reason: David Bowie was already popular when Genesis had Peter Gabriel prancing aroung in "The Fox on the Rocks" costume. My opinion is that glam rock had its basis in the Beatles Sgt.Pepper and was adapted by many other bands (including Genesis and David Bowie).
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Posted: January 05 2012 at 10:07 |
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^ Exactly
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Posted: January 05 2012 at 06:02 |
I would say the first birth pangs of prog rock is a mixture not one album
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 The debut of Pink Floyd is one of the most important albums of the 60s.
 all these albums are integral to the beginning of what we term prog rock.
not to mention non prog albums such as Pet Sounds and psychedelic underground bands. |
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Posted: January 05 2012 at 05:08 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
I think Snow Dog put it best when he stated (I'm paraphrasing here) 'No'
Sgt Pepper was a brilliant but flawed popular music album that every music journalist in the entire world has been brainwashed into voting as the best of all time ad infinitum. There are many Beatles albums I rate higher. Prog would have happened without Pepper (might have taken longer, who knows/cares?)
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Agreed.
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Posted: January 05 2012 at 03:22 |
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I think Snow Dog put it best when he stated (I'm paraphrasing here) 'No'
Sgt Pepper was a brilliant but flawed popular music album that every music journalist in the entire world has been brainwashed into voting as the best of all time ad infinitum. There are many Beatles albums I rate higher. Prog would have happened without Pepper (might have taken longer, who knows/cares?)
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:54 |
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For me it is albums like that are perfect examples of proto. I consider it a prog album myself but the distinction isn't really all that important to me. To elaborate on what I wrote before, there is no single album you can point to as the first prog album. Prog began as sort of a primordial soup.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:14 |
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Gabriel's Genesis inspired glam rock?
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:07 |
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Answer: No Reason: All the reasons you have stated can be attributed to out of the ordinary psychedelic rock. Not to mention, it was of the psychedelic rock era. And the album is missing some key charecteristics of Prog Rock (long songs, jazz influence, keyboard domination, over-complexity). Did it inspire progressive/art rock? yes. But it was not the first prog album. If anything I would say it inspired glam rock more than anything. |
I wouldn't, and I was around at the time. |
Well, they all had costumes and put on alter-egos for the album. That is what glam rock is.
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 20:45 |
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 19:53 |
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what about Revolver, Smiley Smile, and Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack ?
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 14:34 |
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The first prog album has yet to be recorded. That's how prog it is.
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 14:23 |
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Sgt Peppers begat ITCOTKC as Fripp would admit. The Beatles were an amazing band that revolutionised popular music with the help of George Martin. So the answer could well be yes although of course there were plenty of bands that slot inwbetween those albums such as The Nice, Procal Harum and Pink Floyd who were also progressive but none of them were 'the first' and none of them produced such a complete artistic statement as King Crimson managed.
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lazland
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 13:17 |
progistoomainstream wrote:
Answer: No Reason: All the reasons you have stated can be attributed to out of the ordinary psychedelic rock. Not to mention, it was of the psychedelic rock era. And the album is missing some key charecteristics of Prog Rock (long songs, jazz influence, keyboard domination, over-complexity). Did it inspire progressive/art rock? yes. But it was not the first prog album. If anything I would say it inspired glam rock more than anything. |
I wouldn't, and I was around at the time.
This topic has been discussed so many times, I tend to lose interest. As Slarti implied, the range of opinion on the topic is so large and wide, there really isn't a definitive answer.
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progistoomainstream
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 13:12 |
Answer: No Reason: All the reasons you have stated can be attributed to out of the ordinary psychedelic rock. Not to mention, it was of the psychedelic rock era. And the album is missing some key charecteristics of Prog Rock (long songs, jazz influence, keyboard domination, over-complexity). Did it inspire progressive/art rock? yes. But it was not the first prog album. If anything I would say it inspired glam rock more than anything.
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Posted: January 04 2012 at 11:22 |
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There is no such thing as the first prog album.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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