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DanthraX 
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Joined: May 30 2010 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 241 |
 Posted: October 15 2011 at 15:21 |
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Yeah I really respect morningrise's work because he's doing the effort all by himself, doing a great job and i'm having a blast in the tournament, but the average tiebreak it is a little strange. In this particular round the average rating per album would have been more fair because both bands have similar amount of albums with lots of ratings... Anyway, I love both bands so is ok for me
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I look up, I'm almost blinded
by the warmth of what's inside me and the taste that's in my soul, but I'm dead inside as I stand alone... |
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Padraic
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 15:15 |
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lol at everyone taking this seriously
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darkshade
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:38 |
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They should be calculated by every 100 ratings or something. Obviously, if it were between TMV and say, Birds and Buildings, who have only one album and many great ratings, TMV would win.
But Beardfish has a significant amount of ratings, and if it were decided like that, they would win. |
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Roland113
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Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:36 |
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Word!  |
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-------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob-------
I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
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frippism
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 27 2010 Location: Tel Aviv Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:32 |
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Honestly it's a pretty problematic system what you have there. Say a band has a random album with only a few ratings and the average is close to 5 stars then it raises the entire average a fair lot, even though hardly anyone listened to the album. These contests are much based on band popularity, and so it makes sense that most average ratings win the competition. And anyway no one's actually losing... It's a poll....
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There be dragons
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darkshade
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:30 |
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I would say Beardfish have overall better ratings than TMV.
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Triceratopsoil
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Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:17 |
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Everybody else has already pointed that out to him. |
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octopus-4
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14110 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:00 |
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Well said. Nobody is winning or losing anything, apart PA that has attracted some Spock's Beard fans recently.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35804 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 12:58 |
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While the tie-break system seems very odd to me as well (much prefer average ratings across albums rather than number of ratings -- a band theoretically with, say, one album with 1000 ratings with an average rating of 3 stars could beat a band with an album with an average rating of 5 stars and 800 ratings this way), this is the topic starter's series of polls and respect that he can do it any way he wants. If anyone wants to, they can always set up their own competitions according to their own rules.
Ratings are overrated, anyway.... |
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colorofmoney91
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 12:44 |
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YEAH :D
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Hercules
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Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 12:26 |
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What a stupid, illogical tie-break system.
This shows that The Mars Volta are much better known but attracted less votes per person who knows them - that should actually count AGAINST them!
Far better to do average rating per album; this would give Beardfish 3.95 and The Mars Volta 3.834, so Beardfish win.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Morningrise
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Joined: March 18 2009 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 2766 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 11:50 |
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To calculate, for example, Beardfish's average: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2808 Fran En Plats Du Ej Kan Se: 58 ratings 1033 (this total divided by the numer of studio albums, in this case |
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Gandalff
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Posted: October 15 2011 at 11:48 |
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 15 2011 at 10:09 |
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Now I got go and throw somebody out of the window.
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DanthraX
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Posted: October 15 2011 at 08:37 |
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How you calculate those avg? I don't remember if you explained this before so sorry if you did...
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Andy Webb
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Posted: October 15 2011 at 07:32 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 15 2011 at 06:09 |
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Whoah
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Morningrise
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Joined: March 18 2009 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 2766 |
Posted: October 15 2011 at 00:20 |
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Poll's over.
Final Score: The Mars Volta 43 (346.40 studio album ratings avg)- Beardfish 43 (172.17 studio album ratings avg)
The Mars Volta advances to the next round, and Beardfish is out of the competition.
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dreadpirateroberts
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Posted: October 14 2011 at 23:52 |
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Awesome album, especially the title track  |
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We are men of action. Lies do not become us.
JazzMusicArchives. |
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Morningrise
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Joined: March 18 2009 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 2766 |
Posted: October 14 2011 at 23:41 |
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Interesting situation. I'm going to listen to Melos by Cervello, which I bought today. I'll close the poll once the album finishes (40 minutes more or less) So far The Mars Volta is winning thanks to the tiebreaker...1 vote for Beardfish changes everything...
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Post 70's Prog World Cup: Beardfish-The Mars Volta
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