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Syntharachnid
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 16:58 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
alan white was no slouch tho.
his contributions on TFTO were quite good, and helped keep that album above water IMHO. |
Very true. Alan can make most of Bill's stuff sound pretty good, but can you imagine Bill playing "Gates of Delerium", for example?
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 16:10 |
Why do so many people type like they are in the chatroom? Just post whatever is on your mind in ONE single message.
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richardh
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 16:07 |
As much as I like Yes ,there are 3 bands that I like better (ELP,Rush and IQ).I was extolling the virtues of a great band as the spirit of the thread was intended ,but then some people just have to turn it into yet another (unfounded) excuse for ELP bashing.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 14:59 |
Syntharachnid wrote:
Rick
Wakeman. His only competition technically is Emerson, and
he undoubtedly plays with more sensitivity. Enough
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Just a quick point - I'm guessing you've never heard Gentle Giant.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 14:51 |
alan white was no slouch tho.
his contributions on TFTO were quite good, and helped keep that album above water IMHO.
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Syntharachnid
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 14:48 |
Yes are my UNDISPUTED favorite band EVER. Here's my opinion.
From what my (middling) musical knowledge can tell, the musicians in the band are all grandmasters at thier instruments. Let's compare:
Steve Howe. His technique is much stronger than most prog guitarists. His only competition in this area would probably be Frank Zappa, John Pettrucci, and Steve Hackett (I wish that all of his solos were more like Dancing with the Moonlit Knight!). As for feeling, just look at his face when he plays! Alright, maybe you don't want to. = Steve Howe.
Rick Wakeman. His only competition technically is Emerson, and he undoubtedly plays with more sensitivity. Enough said.
Chris Squire. I used to think he was the member who actually had no competition, but since then I have bought Peter Gabriel's Growing Up DVD, and have payed close attention to Levin's stick (and bass guitar) work. I have also heard a bit more Rush. You don't have to like Geddy's singing, but he's an awesome bassist! Still, I would still have to say that most of Chris's basslines are more impressive (to my ears), and he plays with such precision! (As in clarity, not as in Fender Precision )
Alan White. The band's weak point. A very decent drummer, but not when you compare him to Carl Palmer, Neil Peart, or (dare I say it) Mike Portnoy. It is arguable, however, that Bill Bruford was the band's difinitive drummer. This only gives the band more points. Bruford is currently leading this site's best drummer poll by ten percent over Neil Peart.
Jon Anderson. This is truly a matter of preference. His main competition is Roger Hodgeson, I think, and I prefer Jon's vocal quality to Roger's. Some people hate his vocals, so Jon is probably the most subjective band member.
Those are just the members that had the biggest contribution to the band. If you include the cards that Tony Kaye, Patrick Moraz etc. brought to the table of thier respective Yes eras, the points just keep adding up. (Possible exeptions of Igor and Billy, but they are virtually unknown anyhow.)
Then there's the creative aspect. I think Jon Anderson may be one of the most intelligent and deep people living today. His lyrics portray all things majestic and beautiful, as well as some more urgent topics, like war. The best thing, though is that his lyrics are written is "Andersonian". You really need to dig deep through many layers of disguise to find the hidden meaning in his lyrics. If you don't like his lyrics, fine. Just listen to how good his voice sounds singing them, and how his voice is so much like another instrument that it is only as dominant as everything behind it.
Then there's the music. Steve and Jon were the key composers, with the band adding thier unique touches to it during recording. To me, the music always reflects the theme of the song, rising and falling, and always expressing the emotion that the lyrics are. Thier music has more of an effect on me even than Genesis's great moments (Supper's Ready, Musical Box, Firth of Fifth). Also, consider the fact that Chris and Rick were both very capable composers (Rick especially), and yet they composed next to nothing for the band. Yes literally had talent to spare!
That's my opinion. If I've offended anybody, please feel free to let me know!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 13:16 |
beterdedthnred4 wrote:
I agree with NetsNJFan wholeheartedly. Where ELP almost "tricked" people to buy their albums with Still You Turn Me On, et al, Yes showed exactly what they were with tracks like Your Move/All Good People and Roundabout, and the people reacted. Also, they are an anomoly in the history of art: An artist that represented for their genre its artistic and commercial zenith.
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Tricked into buying thier albums! Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:58 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Yes are the finest exponents of Symphonic progressive Rock - They are No 1, Numero Uno, without question, Genesis pushed them all the way ! - But I still feel that Yes went just a little more Grandiose - The Monumental "Tales from Topographic Oceans" - is the MUST HAVE of MUST HAVES in the symphonic prog genre.
I know a lot of people will probably disagree - But I still don't see how anybody can profess to like Symphonic prog rock and not like "TFTO" - Yes only equalled this work with "Awaken" and "Close to the Edge"..Marvellous stuff and basically
"Close to The Edge", "TFTO", "Relayer" and then "Going for the One" are all top ten prog rock albums of all time - How many bands can match that ???
And if TF's and the rest of the ELP Harridans want to "bang on about ELP" then I would suggest that they should forget about their monomania and look at the progressive rock album list on this very site and see ELP's rightful contribution to the prog-rock spectrum.....
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hey hey this was a peaceful thread extolling the numerous virtues of Yes, no need to bash another quality band, ELP.
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Fragile
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:38 |
Very well put Swinton Yes at the height of their musical peak between 1970 - 75 were men driven by their God given abilities to play,write and inspire generations of all ages.If only they could somehow write a definitive prog album for this decade.In CTTE they gave the music world perfection.And Bigears I haven't seen it confirmed that Wakeman is leaving. Has there been any confirmation?
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:53 |
Yes are the finest exponents of Symphonic progressive Rock - They are No 1, Numero Uno, without question, Genesis pushed them all the way ! - But I still feel that Yes went just a little more Grandiose - The Monumental "Tales from Topographic Oceans" - is the MUST HAVE of MUST HAVES in the symphonic prog genre.
I know a lot of people will probably disagree - But I still don't see how anybody can profess to like Symphonic prog rock and not like "TFTO" - Yes only equalled this work with "Awaken" and "Close to the Edge"..Marvellous stuff and basically
"Close to The Edge", "TFTO", "Relayer" and then "Going for the One" are all top ten prog rock albums of all time - How many bands can match that ???
And if TF's and the rest of the ELP Harridans want to "bang on about ELP" then I would suggest that they should forget about their monomania and look at the progressive rock album list on this very site and see ELP's rightful contribution to the prog-rock spectrum.....
Edited by Swinton MCR
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Wormboy
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:42 |
Big Ears wrote:
Yes are great because they have:
1. An exceptonal bass player, who's fast too - up there with John Entwistle.
2. An outstanding keyboard player in Rick Wakeman.
3. A distinctive lead singer with complex multi-part harmonies.
4. Surreal lyrics.
5. Engineering and production by Eddie Offord (Where is he now?).
6. Roger Dean album covers which fit the music/image.
7. I've just realised I've described the seventies Yes,
and I liked all of the other versions of the band, so the ability to
adapt and change too.
However, I just wish Rick Wakeman would stay long enough to make another good album with the group. |
You forgot "one of the most innovative guitarists ever." I
don't like where Anderson and Howe eventually took the band, but at
their peak (Fragile and CTTE, and to a lesser extent TYA) Yes made the
best progressive rock ever. Listen to Howe's guitar work on these
albums. Frankly, nobody's ever come close before or since.
It's not only virtuoso, it's completely unique.
Later, IMO, he still had the skill, but he failed to meld his style
with the band. So he wasn't less of a guitarist, but he was less
of a band member. IMO this was true for most of
them. I think Wakeman and Bruford were always the best at putting
the gestalt composition above individual achievement. I
respect that. Had the other members done the same, they would not
have left the high road so soon.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:41 |
bumheed7 wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Alas, there are also many times when they were bad... really very bad...
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yeah but that was in the 80's when most people were bad. well not bad,
just experimentin with the new technology and sounds that were just
awful. also the union album seemed just for the novelty. no way could
an album with that many artists on it, and the way that they made it,
be a commercial success or a success among the fans. they got back on
track with the ladder i feel and keystudio and magnification and
hopefully anothere album soon to come
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Not just the 80's, actually. The first couple of albums, half of Going
For The One and Tormato and Tales From Topographic Oceans I all find
pretty dire for various reasons. To say their entire 70's output was
top notch is just plain misguided, in my opinion.
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bumheed7
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:38 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Alas, there are also many times when they were bad... really very bad...
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yeah but that was in the 80's when most people were bad. well not bad,
just experimentin with the new technology and sounds that were just
awful. also the union album seemed just for the novelty. no way could
an album with that many artists on it, and the way that they made it,
be a commercial success or a success among the fans. they got back on
track with the ladder i feel and keystudio and magnification and
hopefully anothere album soon to come
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bumheed7
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:35 |
Big Ears wrote:
However, I just wish Rick Wakeman would stay long enough to make another good album with the group.
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im pretty sure hell be there for the next album should there be one.
he was on keystudios though wasnt he. and possibly magnification but i
could be wrong
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Cygnus_LDS
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:35 |
I think i didn't answer the question . But the
reason i love Yes is that everytime i hear a song
(Gates of Delirium, Ritual, etc.) i get transported to
those places. It's the feeling. Of course, their great
musicians.
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Cygnus_LDS
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:31 |
Yes was the first real prog band i heard after hearing
Mike Portnoy (DT) was a big Yes fan and how Yes
was a great band. Actually, in the "Once in a
Livetime" video Steve Howe is playing the ending of
"Starship Trooper" with DT. That little bit of music
was great. Then I bought "Close to the Edge" and, as
they say, the rest is history.
By the way, I have the Symphic Yes DVD
(magnification tour) and those old guys can still jam
big time!!!
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Big Ears
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 11:23 |
Yes are great because they have:
1. An exceptonal bass player, who's fast too - up there with John Entwistle.
2. An outstanding keyboard player in Rick Wakeman.
3. A distinctive lead singer with complex multi-part harmonies.
4. Surreal lyrics.
5. Engineering and production by Eddie Offord (Where is he now?).
6. Roger Dean album covers which fit the music/image.
7. I've just realised I've described the seventies Yes, and I liked all of the other versions of the band, so the ability to adapt and change too.
However, I just wish Rick Wakeman would stay long enough to make another good album with the group.
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beterdedthnred4
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:25 |
oh, and their music's phenomonal too
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beterdedthnred4
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:24 |
I agree with NetsNJFan wholeheartedly. Where ELP almost "tricked"
people to buy their albums with Still You Turn Me On, et al, Yes showed
exactly what they were with tracks like Your Move/All Good People and
Roundabout, and the people reacted.
Also, they are an anomoly in the history of art: An artist that represented for their genre its artistic and commercial zenith.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:16 |
i dont think we should forget - Yes were the first real prog band to become Rock superstars, they were bigger than ELP, had more bona fide porg hits than ELP. Yes is definately responsible for putting prog where it was in the 70s. (IMO)
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