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Dean
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 05:00 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
AFAIC, it's already dead
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There is only one definition of progress - it just means to move forward (in time), so views of positive and negative progress are in the main subjective and dependant upon the destination of that forward movement being somewhere you want to be. Progress in that sense is an inevitability - just as putting one foot in front of the other and shifting your body-weight to that leading foot will inexorably result in forward movement. Progress can never die, it can just result in a change you like, don't like or don't give a hoot about (then, indifference is as likely to permit progress as it is to halt it).
I have conjectured a number of times that invention is in decline, but invention does not fuel progress as much as innovation does: Apple did not invent any of the products they sell, they innovated previous inventions in their application, how we perceive them and how we use them. All the "progress" that may (or may not) result in these 9 things (plus a myriad of others not listed) disappearing is an inevitability of invention finding an application through innovation - as long as mankind exists to find those applications technical progress will continue unabated. So while I believe that invention is in decline, innovation is not - a missile is just a spear with an engine after all.
Cloud computing is where networks started back in the 1950s & 1960s, be that a central computer linked by dumb terminals, or a network of intelligent terminals sharing processing over a wide geographic area, the concept is as old as computing itself and the Internet grew from that, married to the pre-existing telecommunications networks and fed by innovation of relatively minor inventions. Progress in this case was/is a product of doing those things that made networks work in past better and faster in the present, allowing more bandwidth so the application of those inventions and innovations can be used by more people simultaneously - how we use that in the future is not necessarily something we can control or predict with any certainty, and neither can Microsoft, Apple, Amazon or Google.
The Luddites weren't wrong, they just faced a product that worked all of the time - this time around the techno-luddites are up against a product that only works some of the time, so the result is a lot less certain.
Edited by Dean - June 25 2011 at 05:22
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 03:45 |
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
AFAIC, it's already dead
topographicbroadways wrote:
Privacy is more at risk with Facebook etc. now, but as long as you're careful you can keep information safe |
If Facebook was the only issue about loss of privacy, I wouldn't be worried a second about this issue
Because you choose to belong to that sh*t....
Privacy is simply long gone. ... electronic chips on your cards (ID, health insurance, bank card, shopping-fidelity card, member cards, cell-phine SIM cards) have buried privacy a long time ago... they knoweverything about you!!
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
AFAIC, it's already dead
topographicbroadways wrote:
Privacy is more at risk with Facebook etc. now, but as long as you're careful you can keep information safe
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If Facebook was the only issue about loss of privacy, I wouldn't be worried a second about this issue
Because you choose to belong to that sh*t....
Privacy is simply long gone. ... electronic chips on your cards (ID, health insurance, bank card, shopping-fidelity card, member cards) have buried privacy a long time ago
Try to disappear anywhere on the planet.... unless you're ready to live like an escaped prisoner on the ruin (and you won't do that for long), it's become damn near impossibe
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
The idea that music will die is ridiculous. The list itself is pretty ridiculous too because it implies we should care about all of these things it claims will disappear.
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Obviously you're more suited to live in the XXIInd or XXIIIrd century than most of us.... At least in your idealistic views of the future...
I may not care for one or two of these issues (TV for example) on that list, but most of them are indeed kind of worrysome if they should really disappear...
I won't even spend time explaining you why you should care about some of them, (I've never seen/read you to be convince by someone about some issue once you're set in your views), because I see it as useless...
but: just imagine that we actually lose all of the electronic technology and the power to control it (beit some kind of virus or a totalitarian regime) that rules our life today, and even how much more dependant we'll be on it in the next few decades... Just one step too far or simply a fart in the wrong direction or at sommeone you should,n't have said no to.... all hell will let loose on you, with very few hopes to get away from it, rtegardless whether you're innocent or guilty ... and the chances of you being on the "good side" of that power-fence will be highly unlikely - especially if you hang around on sites like this one and waste time on it (like most of us do), instead of developping your power-career
f**k man, I'm glad I'm way past my Trane isotope half-life , because I'm really not optimistic about the future of mankind and his private life... I'm not curious to see how it will turn out either.... and I care even less to live that future that awaits mankind....
I'll just enoy the national postal services and the paper newspapers while they still exists
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 23:09 |
Evolver wrote:
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
But not it's opposite, Congress. |
At first this made me angry, but then I realized this old old joke is perfectly appropriate for this thread.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 22:23 |
Evolver wrote:
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
But not it's opposite, Congress. |
good one
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Evolver
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 22:20 |
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
But not it's opposite, Congress.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 22:11 |
I'd add low-fat salami, sh*t is awful
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 21:36 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
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Welcome to Canada. |
Yeah this is really pissing me off. I ordered In The Land Of Grey and Pink on vinyl a week ago without knowing about this retarded strike. Oh well, It should be over in a week or so |
Yep, I've got a couple things stranded in the mail right now.
Edited by Triceratopsoil - June 24 2011 at 21:37
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 21:13 |
King By-Tor wrote:
I think that earth only has about one generation of humans left. We're f**ked. The oceans are f**ked, the ice caps are f**ked. Pretty soon the earth will take its wrath out on us and swallow us in the rising tides.
At least I hope so anyways, we don't deserve to be here.
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I've always though this to be a rather ridiculous notion. How can every single human be destroyed? Won't there always be pockets of humanity no matter how devastating the event? We will be thrown back to a simpler time long before we are wiped out completely.
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 21:09 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
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Welcome to Canada. |
Yeah this is really pissing me off. I ordered In The Land Of Grey and Pink on vinyl a week ago without knowing about this retarded strike. Oh well, It should be over in a week or so
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 20:52 |
zappaholic wrote:
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
The other thing that will not disappear is human stupidity. Well, strike that - it'll disappear with the human race. |
But on the plus side, if everyone died then Wapsi Square would no longer exist.
Edited by Henry Plainview - June 24 2011 at 20:53
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 20:39 |
zappaholic wrote:
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
The other thing that will not disappear is human stupidity. Well, strike that - it'll disappear with the human race.
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Yeah, I was gonna substitute the word "change" for progress. We'll change for sure. Progress though is a word that probably implies positive outcomes, and I'm note sure that's a slam dunk.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 20:36 |
Padraic wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
Pretty soon the earth will take its wrath out on us and swallow us in the rising tides.
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Lucky escape for Arsenal if it did.
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zappaholic
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 20:20 |
Dean wrote:
The one thing that will not disappear is progress. |
The other thing that will not disappear is human stupidity. Well, strike that - it'll disappear with the human race.
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 17:04 |
Dean wrote:
Dough! | You mean D'oh.
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Gamemako
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Location: United States
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 16:49 |
Epignosis wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
7. The idea that Huckleberry Finn can be great literature even though it refers to black people as N's |
This is anachronistic. Would you prefer Twain to have referred to them as "African-Americans?"
(what a stupid, clunky term)
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And God, has he ever read ANY Mark Twain? Pudd'nhead Wilson, anyone?
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Hail Eris!
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 15:46 |
Elevation: 59 feet
gaw! I'm screwed That b*****d Al Gore just had to go invent global warming now in 100 years my town will be underwater!
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Henry Plainview
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Points: 16715
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 15:36 |
King By-Tor wrote:
I think that earth only has about one generation of humans left. We're f**ked. The oceans are f**ked, the ice caps are f**ked. Pretty soon the earth will take its wrath out on us and swallow us in the rising tides.
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Swallow us? The sea level won't rise that much, jeeze. And maybe we'll be f**ked in the future, but I very much doubt humanity as a whole will go extinct any time soon.
I have no idea why I felt it necessary to post all those links when a link to a Google search probably would have been as illustrative, but I already did it so I'm not going to delete them.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Padraic
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 15:18 |
King By-Tor wrote:
Pretty soon the earth will take its wrath out on us and swallow us in the rising tides.
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Lucky escape for Arsenal if it did.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 15:13 |
I think that earth only has about one generation of humans left. We're f**ked. The oceans are f**ked, the ice caps are f**ked. Pretty soon the earth will take its wrath out on us and swallow us in the rising tides.
At least I hope so anyways, we don't deserve to be here.
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JJLehto
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Location: Tallahassee, FL
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Posted: June 24 2011 at 13:43 |
Maybe CD's will die...but really I don't see that either but the internet/file sharing will ultimately end up being a good thing for music. Yeah
As for newspapers, couldn't care And whoever wrote that seemed happy TV would be on its way out, and frankly I agree. Good riddance.
Edited by JJLehto - June 24 2011 at 13:46
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