| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Polymorphia 
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 06 2012
Location: here
Status: Offline
Points: 8856
|
 Posted: October 26 2015 at 09:32 |
 Toaster Mantis wrote:
I think ELP are generally disliked because they're seen as the band that with a couple possible exceptions, they never made an entire good album and would usually often throw in some if not bad then very out-of-place sounding goofy joke songs in on otherwise quite serious LPs. This goes even for their classics.
EDIT: Referring to them being considered a second-stringer group in prog rock circles, not how "normal people" think of the band.
|
Yep. This is about how I feel about the band. I think Greg Lake and Carl Palmer are overrated, but good nonetheless, and Keith Emerson is a great musician and composer. Aesthetically, though, the "joke" songs, cover art, etc. push me away. I think some of their stuff is pretty neat, but never an entire album, and I usually pull out of their albums with negative feelings towards them. I suppose the most upsetting albums are the ones that do have things going for them.
|
|
|
 |
NutterAlert
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 07 2005
Location: In transition
Status: Offline
Points: 2808
|
Posted: October 26 2015 at 08:42 |
^ I am loathed to agree with the above, so I won't. I reckon on their day ELP were as good as any of them. Trilogy is superb, on their 73/74 world tour they were unstoppable. Karn Evil had its moments. They made themselves easy targets for the hate brigade of NME, etc, and everyone else jumped on the bandwaggon. I love the fact that Emerson still does not give a crap what people think and suggests people critisize then because they were just too good! much prefer ELP on their day to genesis or yes or rush
|
|
Svetonio
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 20 2010
Location: Serbia
Status: Offline
Points: 10213
|
Posted: October 26 2015 at 04:01 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
I'm going off places like RateYourMusic and last.fm, where the general consensus on ELP even among the prog rock fans is that the group were extremely inconsistent and with one or two exceptions never made an entire good album.
|
That "consensus" (lol) is evidently created by a few people there who don't really feel Prog in general but acting "connoisseurs" on the Internet and therefore it's a 100% nonsense because Emerson, Lake & Palmer s/t debut, Tarkus and Trilogy are really genuine and really great masterpieces which passed the time test.
Edited by Svetonio - October 26 2015 at 04:02
|
|
geekfreak
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 21 2013
Location: Musical Garden
Status: Offline
Points: 9872
|
Posted: October 26 2015 at 02:21 |
|
NOPE
|
|
Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake."
Music Is Live
Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed.
Keep Calm And Listen To The Music…
<
|
|
kenethlevine
Special Collaborator
Prog-Folk Team
Joined: December 06 2006
Location: New England
Status: Offline
Points: 9080
|
Posted: October 25 2015 at 11:53 |
|
They were hugely influential, and that can never be taken away from them. But they seem to have undergone a re-appraisal that has not been kind towards them. That's sad in a way, but also good in a way that even many old fans are able to view them more critically with the passage of time. Myself I have never been a fan, and, while I like a few of their songs, I don't really like any of their albums, but then I'm a dinosaur who still resents Lake for leaving King Crimson!
|
|
Otto9999
Forum Groupie
Joined: September 02 2015
Location: Anywhere
Status: Offline
Points: 88
|
Posted: October 25 2015 at 11:16 |
Removed due to PA's deliberated act of deleting threads as alleged featuring negative behaviour posts towards others.
Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:11
|
|
Toaster Mantis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 12 2008
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 5898
|
Posted: October 25 2015 at 10:31 |
|
I'm going off places like RateYourMusic and last.fm, where the general consensus on ELP even among the prog rock fans is that the group were extremely inconsistent and with one or two exceptions never made an entire good album.
|
|
"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
|
|
TheLionOfPrague
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 08 2011
Location: Argentina
Status: Offline
Points: 1066
|
Posted: October 24 2015 at 16:39 |
It surprising to me how "low ranked", relatively speaking, their albums are in PA since they're one of the biggest bands in prog, but compared to Genesis, Yes, Floyd and KC the albums are not ranked that good. They're even below some less successful bands like VDGG or Gentle Giant.
For me they're amazing, the first four albums are masterpieces and they're as good as Yes or Genesis for me.
|
|
I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
|
|
Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65603
|
Posted: October 24 2015 at 15:19 |
|
Good god, another Night of the Living Thread
|
|
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
|
|
Toaster Mantis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 12 2008
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 5898
|
Posted: October 24 2015 at 13:41 |
|
I think ELP are generally disliked because they're seen as the band that with a couple possible exceptions, they never made an entire good album and would usually often throw in some if not bad then very out-of-place sounding goofy joke songs in on otherwise quite serious LPs. This goes even for their classics.
EDIT: Referring to them being considered a second-stringer group in prog rock circles, not how "normal people" think of the band.
Edited by Toaster Mantis - October 24 2015 at 13:42
|
|
"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
|
|
Otto9999
Forum Groupie
Joined: September 02 2015
Location: Anywhere
Status: Offline
Points: 88
|
Posted: October 24 2015 at 13:03 |
Removed due to PA's deliberated act of deleting threads as alleged featuring negative behaviour posts towards others.
Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:15
|
|
presdoug
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8737
|
Posted: June 29 2011 at 16:33 |
richardh wrote:
^ I always felt that U2 could only have been successfull when they were (early 80's). There was a dearth of guitar bands that could play properly 'live'. Not my cup of tea. Tried Johsua Tree and couldn't even get through the whole album it was so dull. Why this band is so revered is beyond me. |
Yeah, i know what you mean-myself, i have never heard a single thing by U2 that isn't dull, including their early stuff
|
|
Garion81
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 22 2004
Location: So Cal, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4338
|
Posted: June 29 2011 at 16:26 |
|
Okay good point but what I was going for is why do they need 100 trucks to tour with? They did enough damage in two baseball stadiums to interrupt the teams schedule and they had to move dates to another site. ELP was criticized as bloated and pretentious because they had 3 trucks.
|
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 29452
|
Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:22 |
|
^ I always felt that U2 could only have been successfull when they were (early 80's). There was a dearth of guitar bands that could play properly 'live'. Not my cup of tea. Tried Johsua Tree and couldn't even get through the whole album it was so dull. Why this band is so revered is beyond me.
|
|
Garion81
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 22 2004
Location: So Cal, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4338
|
Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:15 |
Jim good try I but I had to post this article link. For those who think what ELP did was pretentious I would really like your feedback on what this band is doing. 
|
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
|
|
Jim Garten
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin & Razor Guru
Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
Status: Offline
Points: 14693
|
Posted: June 28 2011 at 11:26 |
Wow - stopped the argument and the discussion... go, me! 
|
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
|
|
Jim Garten
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin & Razor Guru
Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
Status: Offline
Points: 14693
|
Posted: June 28 2011 at 02:47 |
|
I don't care who started this argument, or who's to blame, but please (both of you), reel it in, take it to PM, or cut it out - whichever your decision, take it out of this thread.
|
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
|
|
thehallway
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 13 2010
Location: Dorset, England
Status: Offline
Points: 1433
|
Posted: June 28 2011 at 02:47 |
|
Yes
|
|
|
|
giselle
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 18 2011
Location: Hertford
Status: Offline
Points: 466
|
Posted: June 28 2011 at 02:42 |
rogerthat wrote:
giselle wrote:
You must be joking. I couldn't define anything you've said as either quirky or bizarre. Now go away. |
I call bullsh*t...(or, lame comebacks disguised as bravado). Simply calling me names is not going to wash when you are treading on thin ice. Here's a para from the post you called bizarre:
"I have gone through the reviews and ratings for Tarkus. Only 3% ratings are of 2 stars and only 15% of 3 stars. However, 42% are 4 stars as opposed to 40% 5 star ratings. Thus, there is no evidence at least in the review database of a strong anti-ELP bias which you have implied. "
Pray what on earth is bizarre about this? It is a logical and valid question directed to your initial rant. It is also written in perfectly intelligible English so if you cannot comprehend the same, please don't post on an internet forum.
I hate to break it to you but I have no intention of making this easy for you. I am least concerned if you do not have the grace to admit that you said something you either cannot or are not willing to defend because it is borne out by your evasive defence. So this argument is going nowhere and not running away. I had once agreed a few posts above to disagree but you could not resist responding to my parting shot, having helped yourself to one of your own in your concilitary post. Ergo, you reignited the argument of your own volition, so don't pretend otherwise. So much for urging people to be sensible or unbiased. |
You're not making it hard for me either, I can't engage with you, because I don't regard your arguments as serious or sensible, merely odd, and rather than be tempted to reply in full blast mode, I'm relying on the moderators to cull this so-called conversation. If you don't write back, I won't either. Now go and find some other strange angle to grind, this is just boring for everyone.
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 29452
|
Posted: June 28 2011 at 01:57 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
richardh wrote:
Ironically it was a music critic that got me interested in ELP and prog. The BBC aired a progamme around about 1976 that was about the history of rock music but it was taken from a revisionsist angle by someone clearly into Punk. ELP,Led Zeppelin and other classic rock acts were treated with contempt resulting in tons of fans jamming the switchboards to complain after the programme aired. Anyway the comment by the music critic that got me interested in ELP was ' I hate ELP because they play their music at a hundred miles an hour with no feeling'. I just had to get something by them after that |
Amusingly, I have a copy of the 1981 version of The Rolling Stone Magazine Record Guide, and the book is absolutely savage in its treatment of prog acts, while glorifying punk and new wave acts. Even more amusingly, I notice RS has recently changed many of its ratings, actually returning to some of the more favorable reviews the mag gave out in the early 70s (to bands like Yes and Tull, for instance). Revising their revisionism as it were. Stupid f*cking rag. |
I've never read Rolling Stone tbh. Didn't they Sl*g off In The Court Of The Crimson King on its release as 'pretentious' and then went back on it later with claims it was a masterpeice? Presumably they then went back to their original opinion in the eighties and then later revised it again. Whichever way the wind was blowing at the time I suppose. 
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Is ELP the Most Disliked Prog Band?
