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Arsillus
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 26 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 7374
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 09:32 |
^ Well put maani. Are you guys just sick everything DT, or just these pseudo-reviews that don't even reveiw the album?
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maani
Special Collaborator
Founding Moderator
Joined: January 30 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2632
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 08:58 |
All:
Every member and visitor is entitled to his/her opinion. However, many of you are correct: what many people are writing are not "reviews," but either general support or non-support for the album. In this regard, I have been deleting some of the "reviews." So, if you see your "review" missing from the page, you will know why.
A "review" is just that: a review. It is not an "I really love this album, and it's the best the band has ever done, so all of you who don't like it are idiots," or "I think DT fans are off their rockers by calling this a good, even great, album. It's terrible, don't buy it." Those are not reviews.
A review talks about the songs, the approach, the musicianship, the production, etc. I would say only about 50% of the Octavarium reviews I have read do that. The other half are, as noted, little more than "I love it" or "I hate it," with little or no supporting writing.
Either review an album, or don't submit a "review."
Peace.
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barbs
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 04 2005
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 562
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 07:48 |
Is it possible that with new releases, only collaborators, (which I
assume are experienced in progrock and are balanced about musical
genres) reviews are counted in the first month and other reviews
submitted are still viewed but held for that month from counting
towards any overall rating given to the album and at the end of it are
reviewed for their balanced viewpoint and relevance to the said album
before being added.
Anyone agree or disagree with this??
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Eternity
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Cluster One
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 03 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 780
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 06:06 |
Can't...take...anymore...DT...fanboys...and...their...review s...
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:44 |
And after seeing that i never shall
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:43 |
I've only ever given 2 1 star reviews before. For Emerson Lake & Powel, and for Invisible Touch. With hindsight I actually think I was unfair in both cases.
I have never awarded 1 or 5 stars since. For anything.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:37 |
I cant beat that argument
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Status: Offline
Points: 3830
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:35 |
I'm almost *certain* that Love Beach is the reason that they are so
stern about 1-star reviews... no matter how much you detest a
particular album, would you REALLY prefer to listen to this gem?
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:28 |
Not an easy task in that case
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Status: Offline
Points: 3830
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:26 |
It's okay to post a review of an album that goes against the general
consensus. Just make it intelligent and informative: give
specific examples. If you really feel an album is one star, it
better make Love Beach look like Close To The Edge, ya know?
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:25 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Blacksword: Let it sink in for a month or so before posting a review. "First impression" reviews are what started this whole mess in the first place! |
I fully intend to. I never review straight away, although I'm sometimes tempted. I think the only DT album I've ever reviewed before is Train of Thought, which I didn't like. That was only after a few spins, but my opinion didn't change with time.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:23 |
As I said, I apologise. I admit I WAS doing this the wrong way... I have gone agienst my own code of ethics.."If you have nothing nice to say about something, dont say anything". I am a humble person and I hope you accept my apology. I promise I will not submit reviews that will enrage and upset my fellow progers.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Status: Offline
Points: 3830
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:19 |
Blacksword: Let it sink in for a month or so before posting a
review. "First impression" reviews are what started this whole
mess in the first place!
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Logos
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 08 2005
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 2383
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:19 |
And it's obvious that quite a few of the Octavarium reviews still concern the LaBrie-soloalbum-leak. Just read some of the latest "this is just pure metal.." sh*t-reviews.
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:18 |
Wait until I've heard Octavarium and have posted MY review!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Status: Offline
Points: 3830
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:18 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I have to admit, you do have a good point. I
just want you to understand that I have become a little tired of the DT
craze myself, and my reviews (whiich are all my sincere and honest
opinions) on this band are focused on broadining the minds of those
that are only commited to this band. I to used to be a lover of so
called "Prog Metal" till someone introduced me to King Crimson and
Genesis. I apologise for for upsetting you , perhaps I went about it
the wrong way, but my intensions were good. |
Yours was one of the reviews that caused me to make this thread.
I still love prog metal, though King Crimson is in my top 3 list of
bands... Genesis is another I love... as well as modern
symphonic prog like The Flower Kings. I feel that making
"reviews" like yours is going about it the wrong way, it is only likely
to inflame people and cause them to post more 'counter-reviews'.
And what album did you hear? Surely the 24-minute title track cannot be described as "prog-metal" or "alt-rock".
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Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2005
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 3254
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:13 |
You could lock the dt reviews for a year you would still see alot of reviews when the option is unlocked again
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henri_ds
Forum Groupie
Joined: April 17 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 81
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:06 |
+1
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JesusBetancourt
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 262
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:05 |
I have to admit, you do have a good point. I just want you to understand that I have become a little tired of the DT craze myself, and my reviews (whiich are all my sincere and honest opinions) on this band are focused on broadining the minds of those that are only commited to this band. I to used to be a lover of so called "Prog Metal" till someone introduced me to King Crimson and Genesis. I apologise for for upsetting you , perhaps I went about it the wrong way, but my intensions were good.
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Status: Offline
Points: 3830
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 04:53 |
also retroactively delete any from the past 3 weeks.
The forums themselves have calmed down a bit, but it's just SICKENING
to see reviews for all DT albums all over the front page that have
nothing to do with the albums themselves, but are instead geared
towards the love or hate of the band itself, or even the prog metal
genre. It pisses me off to no end. After the month is up,
maybe people on both sides can be bloody adults about the issue and if
they want to comment on DT or prog metal, do it on the forum in a
polite fashion, and if they have an informative review about the album
THAT IS ABOUT THE ALBUM, they can post that as a review.
You know it's bad when a DT fan is calling for the locking/deleting of their recent reviews.
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