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boo boo 
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 Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:43 |
I don't even hate Lady Gaga, I even have some respect for her to an extent, just no interest in her music whatsoever and it's very hard for me to understand the appeal of it, not that I'm gonna flip out because people do like it.
I might have to listen to a fair share of Gaga in the future, especially if it's vital in getting me laid. And that is WAY more important than the pride I have in my musical taste.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:43 |
 
There's a much greater relation than some people here are afraid to accept.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:42 |
 The T wrote:
boo boo wrote:
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^That's all I've been trying to say and all Overmatik has trying to deny, yet you jumped ready to fight because Alice Cooper and LAdy Gaga were compared...  |
I jumped ready to fight because of the completely ignorant way you've written off a 40 year music career (one that's more diverse than people think) based on a few hit singles.
Just to defend Lady goddamn Gaga. |
No, you jumped because you like Alice Cooper. Would you have jumped so quickly if someone would've written off another 40 year music career like, say, Elton John's (I'm not sure you dislike his music anyway... pick any 40-year career musician you don't like and see).
And yes, I'm not the biggest Alice Cooper expert ever. And yes, what I heard from his music is quite irrelevant to me.
And yes, I would defend even Justin f**king Bieber if the arguments were so poor as those used to talk about Gaga, West, or mainstream music in general. |
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:40 |
If a little bulbous bald man can translate his superb drumming talent into a fortune singing "It's no fun being an illegal alien," surely there must be a correlation between what we call "art rock" and "pop."
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:39 |
boo boo wrote:
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^That's all I've been trying to say and all Overmatik has trying to deny, yet you jumped ready to fight because Alice Cooper and LAdy Gaga were compared... |
I jumped ready to fight because of the completely ignorant way you've written off a 40 year music career (one that's more diverse than people think) based on a few hit singles.
Just to defend Lady goddamn Gaga. |
No, you jumped because you like Alice Cooper. Would you have jumped so quickly if someone would've written off another 40 year music career like, say, Elton John's (I'm not sure you dislike his music anyway... pick any 40-year career musician you don't like and see).
And yes, I'm not the biggest Alice Cooper expert ever. And yes, what I heard from his music is quite irrelevant to me.
And yes, I would defend even Justin f**king Bieber if the arguments were so poor as those used to talk about Gaga, West, or mainstream music in general.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:39 |
Bowie for me, Hands down.
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Help me I'm falling!
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:35 |
Tu claramente dijiste que, por ejemplo, Kanye no es musica. Ok, no puedes comprobarlo objetivamente. Lady Gaga fue otro ejemplo, y esta claro que su exito no solo se lo debe a sus rarezas sino a su decente pop. No se trata aqui de decir que Lady Gaga es la ultima maravilla del mundo sino que es musica y no es basura. Y si lo es, hay gente a quien no le gusta oir que lo que oyen es basura.
Sí, soy bien receptivo. Encuentro cualidades en Gaga y West. David Bowie puede que tenga algunos mayores atributos pero sinceramente prefiero oir a cualquiera de los dos anteriores. Yo no dejo que mi ego me diga que debo oir, sino mi deseo en ese momento.
Ok, no problem. We can cut this language debate. If it was not pejorative, I take no offense and intend none either. And I'm not trying to force you to appreciate Gaga or West. Just saying that is music and for some is great music and none really knows... One can get passionate, I understand. If someone were to compare David Bowie with JS Bach I would probably react in shock, but in the end, there are perspectives and perspectives....
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boo boo
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:32 |
The T wrote:
^That's all I've been trying to say and all Overmatik has trying to deny, yet you jumped ready to fight because Alice Cooper and LAdy Gaga were compared... |
I jumped ready to fight because of the completely ignorant way you've written off a 40 year music career (one that's more diverse than people think) based on a few hit singles.
Just to defend Lady goddamn Gaga.
Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 12:35
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:27 |
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:15 |
^That's all I've been trying to say and all Overmatik has trying to deny, yet you jumped ready to fight because Alice Cooper and LAdy Gaga were compared...
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boo boo
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:11 |
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How is any pop music (even the worst) not "true" music? It has rhythm, melody and timbre does it not? All music is music, even bad music.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 11:56 |
Hmmm. I'd wager I could think of a few others.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 11:51 |
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So somebody went into an Alice Cooper dissing fest because he got defensive over.... Lady Gaga? 
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No. We went defensive because someone went offensive that's all.
Find the strength in your first and then ask it from the other guy...
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 11:50 |
overmatik wrote:
The T wrote:
at the two previous posts...
I still haven't received the thorough musical explanation that I requested...  I still can't be explained the magic behind that master of late renaissance/early baroque music, Alice Cooper... |
Well my friend, I think you'll have to wait a little longer for this question, after all you were the one who asked it yourself. I never said that Alice Cooper was the ultimate standard upon we should measure all music. You said that. I am sorry but you have the terrible habit of putting words into people's mouths, or perhaps difficult in understanding written English. Is English your native language?
What I did was to compare Alice Cooper to Lady Gaga, and I said that to me Alice was an example of a musician who in the past used the same antics and tactics that Lady Gaga uses today, but that, unlike the latter, had pretty good music backing him up. If you don't know the work of Alice Cooper, the band, you should listen to their albums.
P.S. I'm sorry my dear friend, but if you can't find any difference in terms of musical quality between Alice Cooper and Lady Gaga there is nothing that I or anyone else in the face of the earth can say that will change your mind. You simply have a greater disposition to accept music than I.
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Don't run Overmatik. You still haven't explained to me in MUSICAL terms the big difference... And no, I don't want "longer songs" as the explanation. I want some real deep musical reasons please, relating to harmony, instrumentation, timbre, dynamics, structure, both thematic and harmonic, please.
English is not my native language but I speak it and much better than many native speakers. It seems you know portuguese? (Since you're in Brazil). Any problems then? Let's speak in Spanish or Portuguese then. Or even German if you want. I don't go beyond that.
I see your point about the antics and all of that. But in the end is just your passion for one who makes you disrespect people who listen to other stuff.
I like and enjoy the music I like and enjoy. If you "can't accept" music because of some rigid mental schemas and complexes, that's too sad. If you can't accept some music simply because you don't enjoy it, then I fully understand you.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 11:45 |
boo boo wrote:
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And by the way since when did ALICE COOPER become the standard-bearer for quality music? Last time I heard his songs are rather simple rock songs, no more complex in harmony or structure than Lady Gaga's song, but with much, much poorer melody.
You know how many atrocious performers have tried to gain the spotlight with their strange antics? Many. How many succeed? Only a few. Usually, their music, simple and pop as it might be, catches the ear of quite a lot of people. |
Yet another muso who really needs to remove that massive stick from his ass. ?????
Way to criticize a career as varied and diverse as Cooper's because you only know the singles, and many of his songs actually do have rather elaborate arrangements and definitely don't sound like typical radio rock. Oh and "simple rock songs" is not a criticism, while Alice Cooper has his share of simple rock songs, to sum up his entire career as just that is pretty retarded. Oh Little BooBoo I'm not even criticizing Cooper. I'm just baffled that he's mentioned as a great standard of quality. Of course "simple rock" is not a criticism. It would be for the lots of brain dead idiots who only like music because they have a superego need to feel better about themselves compared to other lesser mortals who listen to any kind of music they want. I LOVE "simple rock songs". I'm just saying that these "simple rock songs" and Gaga's "simple pop songs" have quite a similar structure and harmonic foundation. I
Oh and bonus points for using words like "atrocious" when you give 5 stars to horsesh*t like Dream Theater and Arena.Bonus points for you for making yourself look like a simple minded troll in so few posts. And for contradicting yourself in the process, "anti muso" guy. In the end all you want little prick is for people to think exactly like you. |
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 06:27 |
So somebody went into an Alice Cooper dissing fest because he got defensive over.... Lady Gaga?
Jesus give me strength.
Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 06:30
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 06:22 |
The T wrote:
at the two previous posts...
I still haven't received the thorough musical explanation that I requested... I still can't be explained the magic behind that master of late renaissance/early baroque music, Alice Cooper... |
Well my friend, I think you'll have to wait a little longer for this question, after all you were the one who asked it yourself. I never said that Alice Cooper was the ultimate standard upon we should measure all music. You said that. I am sorry but you have the terrible habit of putting words into people's mouths, or perhaps difficult in understanding written English. Is English your native language? What I did was to compare Alice Cooper to Lady Gaga, and I said that to me Alice was an example of a musician who in the past used the same antics and tactics that Lady Gaga uses today, but that, unlike the latter, had pretty good music backing him up. If you don't know the work of Alice Cooper, the band, you should listen to their albums. P.S. I'm sorry my dear friend, but if you can't find any difference in terms of musical quality between Alice Cooper and Lady Gaga there is nothing that I or anyone else in the face of the earth can say that will change your mind. You simply have a greater disposition to accept music than I.
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 04:44 |
I'm not siding with aginor however, he's just being a silly fanboy.
I don't think Cooper is prog by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think he was progressive in a way and a lot of his music was indeed very eccentric for the time. Judging him because his biggest hits are songs like "School's Out" is about as rational as judging Yes based entirely on "Owner of a Lonely Heart" or Deep Purple based on "Smoke on the Water".
Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 04:46
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 04:36 |
overmatik wrote:
But Lady Gaga never makes the headlines because of her music, but because he played a gig naked, or went to a party in a meat-dress etc. You don't have people discussing her music, her lyrics.
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Quite a lot of people discuss her music. You probably think that because you're talking to people who don't care about her music because they don't like it.
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jazz rock
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more jazz rock
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That's jazz rock? :S I don't hear a trace of jazz, that's just blues influence. I guess the 5 second sax solo in the first one is a little jazzy.
boo boo wrote:
The T wrote:
And by the way since when did ALICE COOPER become the standard-bearer for quality music? Last time I heard his songs are rather simple rock songs, no more complex in harmony or structure than Lady Gaga's song, but with much, much poorer melody.
You know how many atrocious performers have tried to gain the spotlight with their strange antics? Many. How many succeed? Only a few. Usually, their music, simple and pop as it might be, catches the ear of quite a lot of people. |
Yet another muso who really needs to remove that massive stick from his ass.
Way to criticize a career as varied and diverse as Cooper's because you only know the singles, and many of his songs actually do have rather elaborate arrangements and definitely don't sound like typical radio rock. Oh and "simple rock songs" is not a criticism, while Alice Cooper has his share of simple rock songs, to sum up his entire career as just that is pretty retarded.
Oh and bonus points for using words like "atrocious" when you give 5 stars to horsesh*t like Dream Theater and Arena. |
lol, I see you're back from your break to get in fights with people again.
Edited by Henry Plainview - February 04 2011 at 05:03
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 03:47 |
The T wrote:
And by the way since when did ALICE COOPER become the standard-bearer for quality music? Last time I heard his songs are rather simple rock songs, no more complex in harmony or structure than Lady Gaga's song, but with much, much poorer melody.
You know how many atrocious performers have tried to gain the spotlight with their strange antics? Many. How many succeed? Only a few. Usually, their music, simple and pop as it might be, catches the ear of quite a lot of people. |
Yet another muso who really needs to remove that massive stick from his ass.
Way to criticize a career as varied and diverse as Cooper's because you only know the singles, and many of his songs actually do have rather elaborate arrangements and definitely don't sound like typical radio rock. Oh and "simple rock songs" is not a criticism, while Alice Cooper has his share of simple rock songs, to sum up his entire career as just that is pretty retarded.
Oh and bonus points for using words like "atrocious" when you give 5 stars to horsesh*t like Dream Theater and Arena.
Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 03:58
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