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moshkito 
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 Posted: July 11 2013 at 12:53 |
 Siloportem wrote:
Just read "The Barsoom Project" by Larry Niven and Steven Barnes. Mentioned (and I suppose featured) in this book is a horror writer named HP Lovecraft and a story/novel by him: at the mountain of madness
There's also a reference to a city.
Is this what burning the hard city is about? Or just the song at the mountain of madness?
So hard to tell with instrumental albums.
Can anyone confirm this?
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You'll have to ask Gayle about that ... but it is possible and then again, not possible.
I never made that connection at all ... and just listen to it for what it is ... and as far as I am concerned, this band is another master writer and story teller as anyone else out there in the last 50 years! It matters not to me if it has a connection to anything or not.
I feel like we have to ask one man what he meant when he said the father and I are one ... the important part is that the meaning and medium came to you and you brought it out in a form that you can understand. Where it came from might not make any sense to you, or me, at all!
That's just me, though. I find I do not need a justification for things to happen ... sometimes, things happen and sometimes they don't ... and music, or any of the arts, are one of the best places for this immediacy, that we lack in our lives, and have to have a dose of, in order to feel more complete.
I don't look "out" to find out "their" inspiration ... I look "in" to find mine, knowing that theirs is different.
That we may reach a similar spot or meeting ground as Gayle said in his email that "You got it!" about my review, to me only means, that he knows I can shut up the internal dialogue long enough to live another experience ... and this was what the old days, wanted to help you learn, until it was all drugs and nothing else, which is when it got loud and obnoxious, and commercial!
For me!
Edited by moshkito - August 24 2013 at 13:56
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Siloportem
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 11:46 |
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Just read "The Barsoom Project" by Larry Niven and Steven Barnes. Mentioned (and I suppose featured) in this book is a horror writer named HP Lovecraft and a story/novel by him: at the mountain of madness
There's also a reference to a city.
Is this what burning the hard city is about? Or just the song at the mountain of madness?
So hard to tell with instrumental albums.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 29 2013 at 04:23 |
That's kind of funny, I started out with Night For Baku. Wasn't so much that I had a problem deciding what to get next, I just liked that one so much that I raided the catalog. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: May 27 2013 at 06:15 |
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Just noticed the DK thread. Am only occasionally on PA so mea culpa. Read a bit about this outfit years ago. Bought Live at Orion's and New Dark Age. Then I had to decide what next, so got the lot. Then Ascension. Probably one of those coincidences... I occasionally write a tune and had one recorded way back that was like the first part of Ascension's opener.
Must find some $ to get the rest some time. I see there are new additions to the old catalogue as well as some recent ones i have known about.
Fantastic band with great atmospheres. Favourites are hard but The Devouring just hits my notes. Honestly there are so many bands (PT included) that had they existed in e.g. 1975 would have been world famous. Of course being an instrumental band makes mainstream break through a bit of a challenge.
Interesting memory - listening to Burning The Hard City when a colleague suggested I watch some telly. Something interesting was happening to NYC on that day in Sept. 2001.
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Posted: May 26 2013 at 17:04 |
moshkito wrote:
Most of us are too lazy to enjoy something for 10 minutes, sex included, I suppose! And now, I have to go read about Heather Graham's 1 hour orgasm
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Say what now? I have to open another browser window...   I haven't seen Boogie Nights for ages. Maybe it's time for a refresher.
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moshkito
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 12:34 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Get all excited and go to a yawning festival.
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I can easily tell you, that ... there was very little yawning at the Fillmore in those days, and I bet that at the UFO, the same thing was happening! We went, because it was worth it. And the trips were always exciting and worth while, though some folks did not like dance and theater in a weird mix (Incredible String Band), other times, you saw this guy play a sitar for 30 minutes by himself (Ravi), and then you saw the Grateful Dead do a 6 hour show, and at least one piece an hour long ... and no one ever thought they were that bad! I can tell you that I never thought that Andres Segovia was boring when he played a piece that was 25 minutes long, by himself, and non-stop! Or Toots Thielman's and his chromatic harp, took off on a jazz club and had everyone gushing at the end of 30 minutes ... with just as many tears, as laughs as swooning moments in the music ... Go ahead ... yawn ... good night to you! Some still think that the music sounds better when you're stoned, or ripped, or drunk, and the truth is ... there is no difference ... except ... do you want to trip or not? Most of us are too lazy to enjoy something for 10 minutes, sex included, I suppose! And now, I have to go read about Heather Graham's 1 hour orgasm ... way more interesting than progressive music I keep thinking! Or fun for that matter!
Edited by moshkito - May 25 2013 at 12:37
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Posted: May 24 2013 at 12:02 |
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Hi. I found DK's new album and listen. WOW. It is very different album and they show their musical potential in different form and genre.In IRAN you can't find this kind of music easily. But I tried hard to found that and pay too much to buy " The Trip ". I dont want to talk about my personal troubles. I want to say I'm very happy to find and buy "The Trip". Moshkito , I read your review and I enjoy so much. Please forgive me for my poor English. Writing in English is hard for me but I can read very good. Thanks.
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Posted: May 20 2013 at 11:22 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Don't stop Moshikito, I love your style. Weird and eloquent.
You should work harder at being purple and clairvoyant. Just don't go into the closet and suck eggs. Just saying my friend  |
Get all excited and go to a yawning festival.
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Posted: May 20 2013 at 10:43 |
moshkito wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Don't stop Moshikito, I love your style. Weird and eloquent.
You should work harder at being purple and clairvoyant. Just don't go into the closet and suck eggs. Just saying my friend |
| Moshkito, enjoyed reading your posts. I usually do, though you seem to create controversy for some reason, I would guess because you are not always clear to some people and seem to veer "off topic". Personally, this doesn't bother me at all, and I find most of your posts very interesting. Music IS art, at least at its best anyway. |
I don't do it on purpose at all ... I'm merely following my inner movie when I am writing, as for me, words are not invisible, or imaginary ideas ... they are all "realities". I can't separate an idea/philosophy from the person ... what would be the point? Idealism? Selfishness? Egoism? Stupidity? ... and this is the part that sometimes is strange to me ... am I being off-kilter and not clear, or is someone just not bothering to read it at all? ... well, you can tell by the answers! I, pretty much, live my ideas ... the only bad one being that sometimes I'm too damn blind to even do some dusting around my place! I need a maid! Just saying .... |
I didn't think you did it deliberately (though some on this site obviously do). Do your own thing and others will like it or not, has always been my view. Honestly, I sometimes do end up skipping your posts when they are extra long.......but I often do that for other peoples long posts as well  In any case, what I do read is always interesting, and usually makes me think, which is always a good thing.
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moshkito
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Posted: May 19 2013 at 11:57 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Don't stop Moshikito, I love your style. Weird and eloquent.
You should work harder at being purple and clairvoyant. Just don't go into the closet and suck eggs. Just saying my friend |
| Moshkito, enjoyed reading your posts. I usually do, though you seem to create controversy for some reason, I would guess because you are not always clear to some people and seem to veer "off topic". Personally, this doesn't bother me at all, and I find most of your posts very interesting. Music IS art, at least at its best anyway. |
I don't do it on purpose at all ... I'm merely following my inner movie when I am writing, as for me, words are not invisible, or imaginary ideas ... they are all "realities". I can't separate an idea/philosophy from the person ... what would be the point? Idealism? Selfishness? Egoism? Stupidity? ... and this is the part that sometimes is strange to me ... am I being off-kilter and not clear, or is someone just not bothering to read it at all? ... well, you can tell by the answers! I, pretty much, live my ideas ... the only bad one being that sometimes I'm too damn blind to even do some dusting around my place! I need a maid! Just saying ....
Edited by moshkito - May 19 2013 at 11:59
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 18 2013 at 16:07 |
Don't stop Moshikito, I love your style. Weird and eloquent.
You should work harder at being purple and clairvoyant. Just don't go into the closet and suck eggs. Just saying my friend
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 18 2013 at 16:17
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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moshkito
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:17 |
infandous wrote:
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Moshkito, enjoyed reading your posts. I usually do, though you seem to create controversy for some reason, I would guess because you are not always clear to some people and seem to veer "off topic". Personally, this doesn't bother me at all, and I find most of your posts very interesting. Music IS art, at least at its best anyway.
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Thank you.
Art is about displacing people's comfort zones ... and there are times, that even I do not care for some of the work, as it seems to be shock for shock's sakes, but music, these days is stuck in a sort of "public/entertainment" kind of thing (my words) and it's hard to get people to listen to something different ... that is not what they are used to day in and day out ... or as an old friend said once, after 3 minutes ... where's the lyrics?
It's not better to "be told" what it is all about ... we're all people and have our own ideas and thoughts, and to me, that's important.
I wish I knew how to be "simpler" ... it is what it is and what comes out and sometimes even the wording is difficult for me. I'm a mix of three very different cultures, and because I had these changes, the "home culture" does not control me (for lack of better words) when it comes to tastes in the arts ... I've seen more, and different, and sometimes it does not mean that this or that is better ... it's just different, and this has been my point about "progressive" music, the definition of which is highly xenophobic and could even be considered to be ethnocentric ... like it didn't happen anywhere else, and we know that it did!
Edited by moshkito - May 17 2013 at 19:21
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:10 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Haven't seen you around these parts in while dude. Well, your post prompted me to visit their site and now I have three CDs on the way. Have you heard Herd Of Instinct yet? I tried just one sample and had to get a copy.
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Check out my review of the 2nd CD!
Ohhh yeah!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 14:56 |
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Btw, Ascension was an extremely limited pressing, so if you're one of the lucky ones to have it, give yourself a hi-5! |
That's what I thought! Also the reason I got it at the time, as I think it was only $10 (maybe less?) when I also bought their latest with it, which was New Dark Age. In any case, I love it.
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:33 |
Btw, Ascension was an extremely limited pressing, so if you're one of the lucky ones to have it, give yourself a hi-5!
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 08:05 |
Just noticed this thread now and see that I missed it starting up a couple years ago! Anyway, I first heard them back in '98 or '99, a friends copy of Burning The Hard City. I borrowed that and Suspension and Displacement from him and loved both albums. Oddly enough, I only started buying their albums with The Devouring, and I've gotten all as they were released since then.........however, I notice I'm now 3 albums behind I was fortunate to see them perform at Nearfest 2001. A really great show, though I wouldn't have minded if they had had a bit more time to play (I think they got about an hour, maybe an hour and a half? can't recall now). Someone else mentioned Ascension, and I remember it was available only at Nearfest in limited quantities (don't know if it is more widely available now) and I made sure to get a copy of that along with The Devouring. Ascension is still one of my favorites by the band, one of those somewhat obscure little gems that doesn't get mentioned usually when this band is discussed. In any case, great band, great instrumental music. I need to get their albums before Devouring as I haven't heard them in ages and would love to again (I borrowed all of them from a friend.......only one I haven't heard is No Commercial Potential and Still No Commercial Potential.........and the last 3 releases, as noted). Moshkito, enjoyed reading your posts. I usually do, though you seem to create controversy for some reason, I would guess because you are not always clear to some people and seem to veer "off topic". Personally, this doesn't bother me at all, and I find most of your posts very interesting. Music IS art, at least at its best anyway.
Edited by infandous - May 17 2013 at 08:09
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Posted: May 15 2013 at 14:24 |
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That's good to hear. I've just recently been listening again to the albums I have. Despite the fact that it's an atypical album for them, "Suspension and Displacement" is still one of my favorite ambient albums. Also been enjoying "Reflections", "Burning", and "Devouring".
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Posted: May 15 2013 at 14:07 |
Hi, Thought I would alert you folks that posted here, that this band has a new album. And I think it is worth getting. I have reviewed it and it is posted with the band information on this website. Thank you Gayle for the wonderful compliment about my review.
Edited by moshkito - May 15 2013 at 14:07
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Posted: August 03 2011 at 16:28 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Yeah some people on here can be downright rude. Have you tried jazzmusicarchives yet? |
Tried it a couple of times. Not impressed. MOS as is said in radio!
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Posted: August 01 2011 at 15:31 |
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Dali: The Endless Enigma is a classic!
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