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Earendil
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 20:51 |
Overall, Gabriel for sure. Especially his theatrics, but I think his voice is much more suited for prog, not to say that Phil is bad at all.
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 07:57 |
Great Ivan! I prefer always Peter Gabriel! for the prog Genesis era he was the best!! instead of Phil Collins was a drummer ,very very good , but only a good pop singer for the"pop" Genesis era!
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LSDisease
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 06:05 |
Gabriel. Always. Collins is a good drummer.
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 12:35 |
I like them both. I even like the later 80's pop songs like "No Reply" and "Jesus He Knows Me". Phil Collins is personally my favorite vocalist of all time, but I really like Peter's voice too. From a solo point of view, I like Phil's solo material much better than Peter's. But it's really impossible to compare. They are two completely different types of voices and styles. You can't compare Supper's Ready to Misunderstanding.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 22:00 |
I prefer both when they sings his own album material, it means Gabriel with his Genesis period and collins with his period.
Collins done a great work in Seconds Out, but in the Gabriel vocals songs, it's a poor man's Gabriel.
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 19:05 |
Chris S wrote:
Collins by a mile, notwithsatnding as Ivan says PG's pure menace and passion for voice. PG left 7 years after Genesis began, PC remained for almost 25 years, speaks volumes really if you are a true Genesis fan across timelines.... |
I consider myself a true Genesis fan, and the reason why I lft the Genesis forum is because some people believe that fans have to love everything a band did, that's not my case, I consider ATOTT and W&W echoes of the first years and nothing after Hackett left real Genesis music, I just wish they would had changed the name of the band after Wind & Wuthering.
Gabriel founded Genesis, without him, the masterpieces would had never existed, Collins had an important role, but not as transcendental.
BTW: In all his years as vocalist, Collins made only 2 more albums than Gabriel, but none remotely transcendental as Foxtrot, SEBTP or The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 22 2010 at 19:06
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 18:08 |
Collins by a mile, notwithsatnding as Ivan says PG's pure menace and passion for voice. PG left 7 years after Genesis began, PC remained for almost 25 years, speaks volumes really if you are a true Genesis fan across timelines....
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 17:38 |
Phil did a good job of taking over - a very good job - but a copy isn't an original. Gabriel wasn't necessarily the better singer, but he had character and depth and a voice of his own. It's not really fair to expect Phil to do the early Gabriel songs and yet transcend what was there before; generally, that doesn't work, and I don't think you can say that Phil outdid Gabriel in that respect, though he too had a voice of his own when it came to the 'new' Genesis songs.
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 17:15 |
esky wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I believe that the only Gabriel song that Collins sung better than Peter was I know what I Like.
The rest...Gabriel by light years.
Iván |
I wouldn't go as far as light years for this comparison. The bravura Phil added to the In the Cage medley on Three Sides Live made Gabriel's album version seem flat. I mean it's everything you'd want Collins to be on an old Gabriel-sung song. And I'll contend till my dying day that what Collins achieved with A Trick of the Tail greatly lessened the drama of Gabriel's flight from the band. |
Are you crazy?
In the Cage is one of the worst tracks by Colins
Gabriel version expresses fear, claustrophobia, and panic, his semi yodel creates a sensation of anguish and being hopelessly trapped, while Collins version is flat with no changes.
An artist must convince, and while Gabriel version creates the sensation of being trapped in a cage, Collins transmits nothing, it's well sung, but emotionless.
Now, A Trick of the Tail is no Gabriel album, but being you entered into that territory, I must say that is beautiful, but closer to the way you will narrate a fairy story to a child, compare with the brutal violence of The Knife, Musical Box or the dramatic capture of Hermafroditus body in Fountain of Salmacis.
I insist, miles behind.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 22 2010 at 17:19
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 15:15 |
both great but gabriel is beyond great!!
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Posted: December 18 2010 at 00:02 |
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Posted: December 15 2010 at 17:31 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I believe that the only Gabriel song that Collins sung better than Peter was I know what I Like.
The rest...Gabriel by light years.
Iván |
I wouldn't go as far as light years for this comparison. The bravura Phil added to the In the Cage medley on Three Sides Live made Gabriel's album version seem flat. I mean it's everything you'd want Collins to be on an old Gabriel-sung song. And I'll contend till my dying day that what Collins achieved with A Trick of the Tail greatly lessened the drama of Gabriel's flight from the band.
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Posted: December 15 2010 at 15:43 |
I think Phil is a good singer (and a fantastic drummer) at least the last years of the seventies.But he lacked Peter Gabriels warmth. I´ll go for feeling any time over technique.
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Posted: December 15 2010 at 15:40 |
Phil made it great as soon as Gabriel left.
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Posted: December 15 2010 at 12:06 |
Gerinski wrote:
PC sings very well on Seconds Out and the first post-PG-era albums. Definitely he could sing, maybe better than Gabriel from a technical viewpoint, but Gabriel had a much more personal voice and singing style and I undoubtedly prefer Gabriel, especially when the question refers to his era songs.
The question is somewhat unfair because we have heard PC singing PG songs but not the opposite (to my knowledge) so we can not tell for sure who of them is best at re-working the other's vocals.
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I'm not too sure that PG would be interested in singing PC's sentimental slop. PC can't put any real feel into old Genesis stuff cos' he did'nt write the songs, and does'nt know the motivation behind them. That's the difference for me.......Collins may be the singer, but Gabriel was the song.
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Posted: December 15 2010 at 09:19 |
Gabriel has a nice voice, and I've grown to love it, but at the start I sort of hated it. Collins, on the other hand, has a more refined voice, which I don't like quite as much. It's still fairly good, though.
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Posted: December 14 2010 at 14:39 |
I do not understand why this topic isn't moved.
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Posted: December 14 2010 at 12:42 |
I have always loved Genesis. Musically I like the PG years more, but for music AND voice, I would say my favorite era of Genesis is 1976-78. The hackett/collins years (including andthentherewere3).
Collins was a good singer then. I heard he didn't start his bombastic shouting until Conny Plank told him he was "a soul singer" in 79-80. I don't know if there is any truth to that, but I think that's when his voice drifted away from my liking. After 79, it seemed like he did more screaming and shouting then singing. I think his ego took over. Thank god Banks and Rutherford were still writing or Genesis, I think, would have totally gone down the tubes. I personally still lean to the Banks written stuff anyways.
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 17:50 |
I think that they're both great vocalists, but for different reasons. On a technical level, PC is probably better...you hear his seemingly infinite range jump around throughout Seconds Out, really. But PG is more soulful and dramatic, and his rasps and nasal notes add to the effect that he tries to give his vocal parts (at least in the Genesis material. His 80's and 90's vocals are much more controlled and...normal. Still great! )
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 17:40 |
Collins was, in the early years after he took over, a perfectly competent vocalist, especially considering what he had to follow.
But he isn't Peter Gabriel by a very long way. But few, if any people, are fit to compare with this most charismatic of all 70s vocalists..
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